Luis Elizondo

Mike.

Luis Elizondo, he was a former U.S. Army counterintelligence officer, former Department of Defense official.

And he's been publicly associated with the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP, which is like A-A-R-O-N.

from that skit

And this was basically the government's party line from nineteen forty-seven at the Roswell crash until the m- the middle twenty tens or late twenty tens.

So there was this quiet continuation of military and intelligence interest, it would seem, because in twenty seventeen- When The New York Times broke the story with the help of Luis Elizondo, uh, we covered him in episode 74, Congressional and UFO Hearing Reaction and Analysis.

That was...

So that was, uh, at, back in episode 74 was one of the first times we, we dug into this modern disclosure, and now we're at episode 144, so, um, 70 later.

So anyway, and, and this is a whole, that was a whole show obviously of its own, but Luis Elizondo was cast as a sort of inside the Washington loop whistleblower.

But really you can go back and listen to that episode.

It's a good one.

So anyway, it was in 2017.

And this is something I've made a big deal of saying recently because I've spent so much time on this World Commerce Corporation thing and it's going to be a five or six part series because there's so much to talk about here.

But one of the interesting things is If a private consortium stole this sensitive information from the war, from before the war, and monopolized it after the war, a group of people who didn't have any allegiance to any individual country, and through private interests, build something, then Luis Elizondo or whoever it is can go on Fox News and say, well, it's not Russian, it's not Chinese, and it's not American, right? And he wouldn't be lying because the actual technology isn't controlled by a sovereign nation state.

It's developed by private transnational interests that go above that.

and so i i wonder if that's one of the big dirty secrets is like you said whether it and i actually today i think there's probably multiple private groups who've who've had the breakthroughs i think after the war i i certainly think the the wcc is one of them and it's interesting to hear you say you think there might be another one too but i i think that's the story it's not really about nation states it's about something that cuts across those And maybe involves criminal elements as well, not just business, right? A mix of business, scientific, government, but maybe also criminal networks that represent something a lot darker.

You need to, you need to investigate yourself, research yourself.

Do- that doesn't mean dismiss anything people like David Grusch or any, any of the rest of them say, even Luis Elizondo.

But take it as a data point.

Don't be like, "Okay, I'm gonna believe everything this one person says."

You need to, you need to investigate yourself, research yourself.

Do- That doesn't mean dismiss anything people like David Grusch or any, any of the rest of them say, even Lue Elizondo.

But take it as a data point.

Don't be like, "Okay, I'm gonna believe everything this one person says."