196. Dr. Ken Berry thank you for your Humility and willingness to share the story of your own health journey.

And so what transitioned you from the standard world and, and you probably, like myself, I was paleo.

I had Atkins at one point, and then I went to, uh, keto, and then eventually, f- like, surprise, found carnivore.

Uh, how did that affect you, and how have you transitioned that into why you're practicing medicine completely different than you and I were trained to do?

I, I followed a very similar trajectory.

Uh, when I, when I...

Because after I discovered I was pre-diabetic, I thought, "Well, I've gotta fix this." And so I, I took home a copy of the PDF, uh, that I had printed out from the American Diabetes Association, because I had already given that handout to hundreds of people that I had diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.

And it said, "Here, you've gotta eat like this, and you've gotta be more active, and you gotta blah, blah, blah." And so I thought, "Well, there you go.

I guess I need to take this PDF, this handout home from the ADA." And so I did, and I followed it religiously for the next 90 days, and I actually started jogging twice a day.

Now, I, I was already very active, but I thought, "Well, you gotta jog.

That's what everybody does."

Yeah.

And I hate jogging, just for the record, and I abhorred every minute of it, but I did it twice or three times a week for 90 days, and I followed the ADA handout religiously.

Stopped eating bacon.

Started eating lots of whole grain breads and other things.

Uh, stopped most of the saturated fat and cholesterol in my diet.

Added fruit juice smoothies and fruit smoothies and all the things.

And then I rechecked my labs at 90 days, and my pre-diabetes was actually worse, and that was the epiphany.

Uh, that, that bec- and here's why.

I'll, I'll give all your people a behind the scenes look.

All doctors, including Dr. Kiltz and me and all other, every other doctor you've met, suspects you of being non-compliant, okay? We, we, we give you our advice, and then you go back out into the wild, and we see you again in 90 days or 180 days or whatever.

And when you come back, and we recheck your labs, and we see how you're doing, and we get you on the scale, and things are not going in the right direction, we do not immediately think, "Oh, that's my fault as a doctor."

Mm-hmm.

That they've become, their diabetes is worse, and they've gained another 10 pounds.

That's not my fault.

I gave them the ADA handout, and I told them what to do, and I gave them the new prescription.