Justice Matters with Glenn Kirschner
Oct 14, 2026 · 25 min · 10 segments
Attorneys are fleeing Donald Trump's Department of Justice at alarming rates. It's not just a brain drain but an ethics drain as well. And that's on top of the people who were wrongfully terminated…
Glenn KirschnerHost
Liz OyerGuest
As you well know, Liz is the former pardon attorney for the Department of Justice.
Before that, she was a 10-year federal public defender up in Maryland, and the more I watch Liz's work and her communication skills, I'm kind of glad I never tangled with her in court.
Of course, she's on Substack, and she can pack so much information into a three-minute, I would call it, a public service video, and it's extremely concise.
So I can't recommend highly enough because she's a, a real justice warrior, and she is all in on fighting for the rule of law and fighting for the, the, the legitimacy of the Department of Justice, which is eroding by the day, and it was my former professional home for nearly a quarter of a century.
Okay, let's try to tackle three legal developments, and the first comes from one of your short-form videos.
My characterization is the swamp creatures that are being hired into the Department of Justice.
People are leaving in droves, and as you well know, Glenn, this is, like, one of the most elite legal jobs in the country for lawyers is to work at the Justice Department.
And now nobody wants to work there because the institution has become so degraded, and they have been desperately trying to fill jobs, especially in the Civil Rights Division, which has lost seventy-five percent of its lawyers since Donald Trump returned to office and turned the mission of the place upside down, literally.
Um, it-- So, so they're scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to make new hires, and the New York Times ran a piece this week.
As you well know, Liz is the former pardon attorney for the Department of Justice.
Before that, she was a 10-year federal public defender up in Maryland, and the more I watch Liz's work and her communication skills, I'm kind of glad I never tangled with her in court.
Of course, she's on Substack, and she can pack so much information into a three-minute, I would call it, a public service video, and it's extremely concise.
So I can't recommend highly enough because she's a, a real justice warrior, and she is all in on fighting for the rule of law and fighting for the, the, the legitimacy of the Department of Justice, which is eroding by the day, and it was my former professional home for nearly a quarter of a century.
Okay, let's try to tackle three legal developments, and the first comes from one of your short-form videos.
My characterization is the swamp creatures that are being hired into the Department of Justice.
People are leaving in droves, and as you well know, Glenn, this is, like, one of the most elite legal jobs in the country for lawyers is to work at the Justice Department.
And now nobody wants to work there because the institution has become so degraded, and they have been desperately trying to fill jobs, especially in the Civil Rights Division, which has lost seventy-five percent of its lawyers since Donald Trump returned to office and turned the mission of the place upside down, literally.
Um, it-- So, so they're scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to make new hires, and the New York Times ran a piece this week.
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