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Fighting Fascism Podcast

Fighting Fascism Podcast

Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Data Center Wars (w/ Ben Inskeep & Bryce Gustafson)

Oct 12, 2026 · 1 hr 2 min · 13 segments

Data centers and AI, AI and data centers. We all know how pivotal these issues have become. But lots of the analysis on these topics has been coming from pundits who are the farthest removed from…

Data centers and AI, AI and data centers. We all know how pivotal these issues have become. But lots of the analysis on these topics has been coming from pundits who are the farthest removed from them. That’s why we wanted to speak with Ben Inskeep and Bryce Gustafson from Citizen Action Coalition. Bryce and Ben have been helping communities on the frontlines of data center fights in Indiana organize and stand up against Big Tech, and their on-the-ground insights—about what’s motivating the backlash, the potential for a broader political realignment, and more—are critical to understanding what’s actually going on right now. Fighting Fascism Podcast is produced by Nik Damants in collaboration with The Nation. Intro song and music by Horse Radish. Follow us! Instagram @FightFascismPod BlueSky @FightingFascismPod.bsky.social Twitter @FightFascismPod

Data centers and AI, AI and data centers. We all know how pivotal these issues have become. But lots of the analysis on these topics has been coming from pundits who are the farthest removed from…

Top entities: Indiana×32 Bryce Gustafson×15 Ben Inskeep×11 Artificial intelligence×8 Indianapolis×6

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Speakers: Bryce GustafsonGuestBen InskeepGuestAaron RegunbergHostMatt DaSilvaHost

Show signals: SuitabilitySensitiveBiasLeftAudience≈53k followers

Birthdays, Loss, and Beloved Pets1:02 – 3:54

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:02

How's it going?

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:03

It's going, homie.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:04

Teaching some kids.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:06

I had a birthday.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:07

That was cool.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:09

I turned, uh, 37, which feels old.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:12

And then it, it-

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:13

It's awful

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:14

Yeah.

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:14

It's awful about time, right?

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:15

It sucks how it keeps going.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:17

It was a weird birthday because I was supposed to be working that day, and then it, and then we had a-

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:21

What's, what day was your birthday?

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:22

Saturday.

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:23

Oh, sorry, I didn't say anything.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:25

You know, it's re- it, it's hon- we have, it's, it's not expected.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:29

That's, you know.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:30

[laughs]

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:30

[laughs] I'm not on Face- I don't do Facebook anymore, so like-

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:33

Yeah

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:33

... there's no way for me to know when anyone's birthday is other than, like, my brain, and that's-

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:37

Impo-

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:37

... obviously n- not gonna work

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:38

... impossible to rely on.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:40

There's no, no fucking way.

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Artificial Intelligence Data CentersTechnology > Computing Infrastructure > Data Centers
Grassroots Community OrganizingPolitics > Political Activism
Community Opposition to AI Data Center DevelopmentTechnology > Computing Infrastructure > Data Centers > Artificial Intelligence Data Centers
Energy and Climate ImpactsEnvironment > Environmental Impacts
Data Center Electricity and Water ConsumptionEnvironment > Environmental Impacts > Energy and Climate Impacts
Local Anti-Data-Center CampaignsPolitics > Political Activism > Grassroots Community Organizing
Corporate SubsidiesEconomics > Political Economy
State and Local Data Center IncentivesEconomics > Political Economy > Corporate Subsidies
Public Trust and Political RepresentationGovernment > Democracy and Governance
Cross-Partisan Local ResistanceGovernment > Democracy and Governance > Public Trust and Political Representation
Political EconomyEconomics
Political ActivismPolitics
Computing InfrastructureTechnology
Data CentersTechnology > Computing Infrastructure
Democracy and GovernanceGovernment
Politics
Environment
Economics
Technology
Government
Environmental ImpactsEnvironment

Birthdays, Loss, and Beloved Pets1:02 – 3:54

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:02

How's it going?

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:03

It's going, homie.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:04

Teaching some kids.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:06

I had a birthday.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:07

That was cool.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:09

I turned, uh, 37, which feels old.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:12

And then it, it-

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:13

It's awful

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:14

Yeah.

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:14

It's awful about time, right?

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:15

It sucks how it keeps going.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:17

It was a weird birthday because I was supposed to be working that day, and then it, and then we had a-

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:21

What's, what day was your birthday?

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:22

Saturday.

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:23

Oh, sorry, I didn't say anything.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:25

You know, it's re- it, it's hon- we have, it's, it's not expected.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:29

That's, you know.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:30

[laughs]

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:30

[laughs] I'm not on Face- I don't do Facebook anymore, so like-

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:33

Yeah

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:33

... there's no way for me to know when anyone's birthday is other than, like, my brain, and that's-

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:37

Impo-

Aaron RegunbergHost

1:37

... obviously n- not gonna work

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:38

... impossible to rely on.

M

Matt DaSilvaHost

1:40

There's no, no fucking way.

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