Mar 23, 2026 · 34 min · 20 segments
Tony Popic is talking about an end of days, Simon is seeing spirits and Chantelle is forced into a difficult decision as increasingly troubling hints something's not right come to light.
As Tracy tells me about her friendship with Chantelle, I start to hear things that I've heard before from other people.
So I remember her saying, "Simon said it's okay for you to come to our place." And I was going, "Oh, okay."
It was like he, he's up a lot at night because he's on the internet and he has a group of people that he talks to.
Chantelle said he was a creative writer, channeling spiritual insight, which also accounted for the odd hours he kept.
And she was more just his supportive person and the homemaker, and he was all into what he was doing.
It wasn't like, you know, younger women, we do, and, you know, and we fall in love and [laughs] we have children.
Tracy's obviously pretty open-minded, a you-do-you philosophy, and what she heard about Simon didn't sound that strange to her.
She moved in circles where the idea of people channeling spiritual insights was normal, had worked for clairvoyants and healers herself.
I get the impression that what stood out to Tracy was actually how not new age-y Simon was.
Just sort of a bit, I don't wanna say sloshy, but I just remember this sort of, this stance of sort of, you know, sloshy is just a word that comes to mindNot bubbly or anything like me and Chantelle.
Tracy had met Chantelle and Leila less than a year ago, but Leila and Tracy's daughter, Sarah, both vivacious toddlers, became besties.
They also loved dancing and, like, doing kind of, you know, little shows, dressing up and then singing and dancing.
There's this really sweet echo of Chantelle here, the shows she'd put on with her sister Colleen, the dreams of a life on stage.
[children playing] When I first spoke to Tracy on the phone, I asked about whether she ever saw anything that troubled her in Simon and Chantelle's dynamic, whether Chantelle seemed under his control, and at first she'd said no. Chantelle was way too grounded and capable for that.
She realized how much younger Chantelle was, which she hadn't clocked at the time, and that maybe she had been more vulnerable than Tracy had realized.
As Tracy tells me about her friendship with Chantelle, I start to hear things that I've heard before from other people.
So I remember her saying, "Simon said it's okay for you to come to our place." And I was going, "Oh, okay."
It was like he, he's up a lot at night because he's on the internet and he has a group of people that he talks to.
Chantelle said he was a creative writer, channeling spiritual insight, which also accounted for the odd hours he kept.
And she was more just his supportive person and the homemaker, and he was all into what he was doing.
It wasn't like, you know, younger women, we do, and, you know, and we fall in love and [laughs] we have children.
Tracy's obviously pretty open-minded, a you-do-you philosophy, and what she heard about Simon didn't sound that strange to her.
She moved in circles where the idea of people channeling spiritual insights was normal, had worked for clairvoyants and healers herself.
I get the impression that what stood out to Tracy was actually how not new age-y Simon was.
Just sort of a bit, I don't wanna say sloshy, but I just remember this sort of, this stance of sort of, you know, sloshy is just a word that comes to mindNot bubbly or anything like me and Chantelle.
Tracy had met Chantelle and Leila less than a year ago, but Leila and Tracy's daughter, Sarah, both vivacious toddlers, became besties.
They also loved dancing and, like, doing kind of, you know, little shows, dressing up and then singing and dancing.
There's this really sweet echo of Chantelle here, the shows she'd put on with her sister Colleen, the dreams of a life on stage.
[children playing] When I first spoke to Tracy on the phone, I asked about whether she ever saw anything that troubled her in Simon and Chantelle's dynamic, whether Chantelle seemed under his control, and at first she'd said no. Chantelle was way too grounded and capable for that.
She realized how much younger Chantelle was, which she hadn't clocked at the time, and that maybe she had been more vulnerable than Tracy had realized.
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