Sep 10, 2026 · 1 hr 25 min · 12 segments
**This episode we talk about the up coming Cognitive Conclave 2026 with John Hearne, Lee Weems & Erick Gelhaus** **Get Registered: https://twopillarstraining.com/conclave/** Eric sits down with the…
Eric DavisHost
Lee WeemsGuest
John HearneGuest
Erick GelhausGuest
So being that they are thinkers, they have a course that they've been teaching over the last few years called the Cognitive Conclave.

You know, I think that that's one of the best tools, but it's not the only tool, right? And there's also, I believe, a gap when it comes to, as you said it, John, thinking with the gun in your hand.

And I just love the trend that I'm seeing, especially from guys like you, because you guys are really pushing this harder than a lot of folks that I've seen.

And forgive me if there's instructors out there that – that are doing this or have been doing this.

Forgive me, I'm just following these three gentlemen as being some excellent sources of that type of training.

Do we have a gap within the training community specifically in this type of thinking with a gun in your hand?

Well, I've been thinking of this analogy and I'm not running all the way through.

But a picture, if you would, a roll call in a police department, young officer sitting there.

And at the end of the roll call, as everybody's walking out to go stuff, the sergeant says, hey, hey, Jones, you go see the lieutenant.

Lieutenant hands him an envelope and says, today at 3 o'clock, I want you to drive to that address, get out of your patrol car, and walk up to the door.

When the door opens, I want you to shoot the person that's standing there three times and do it in no more than three seconds.

So being that they are thinkers, they have a course that they've been teaching over the last few years called the Cognitive Conclave.

You know, I think that that's one of the best tools, but it's not the only tool, right? And there's also, I believe, a gap when it comes to, as you said it, John, thinking with the gun in your hand.

And I just love the trend that I'm seeing, especially from guys like you, because you guys are really pushing this harder than a lot of folks that I've seen.

And forgive me if there's instructors out there that – that are doing this or have been doing this.

Forgive me, I'm just following these three gentlemen as being some excellent sources of that type of training.

Do we have a gap within the training community specifically in this type of thinking with a gun in your hand?

Well, I've been thinking of this analogy and I'm not running all the way through.

But a picture, if you would, a roll call in a police department, young officer sitting there.

And at the end of the roll call, as everybody's walking out to go stuff, the sergeant says, hey, hey, Jones, you go see the lieutenant.

Lieutenant hands him an envelope and says, today at 3 o'clock, I want you to drive to that address, get out of your patrol car, and walk up to the door.

When the door opens, I want you to shoot the person that's standing there three times and do it in no more than three seconds.
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