Sep 28, 2026 · 21 min · 10 segments
**Meet the Author:** S.J. Rozan was born and raised in the Bronx and is proud of it. She spent over 20 years as an architect in New York City and is kind of proud of that, too. Now she writes and…
Jeffrey HigginsHostConference Event ParticipantGuest
So when you, when you talk about like labels, like I'm thinking of this, the scene and sequel, I mean, obviously, you know, structure very well.

How much is the label important? Because I've talked to authors and even for myself, like it took me under, it was Jessica Brody's Save the Cat Writes a Novel.

I don't know if you've ever read that, but she talks about wants versus needs.

And it was, you know, the thing they're seeking, but you know, it could be a misbelief or whatever, but the thing they actually need that you often have another character tell them.

But I've been trying to understand that internal and external and how they merge together until I heard that.

Do you find that with other language that you just have to hear the same principle, even if you're using it, but hear it differently?
But yes, absolutely, you will be kind of groping your way towards something, and then somebody will say something that basically turns on the light.
So the crystallization of an idea through language is always... a beautiful thing as far as I'm concerned.

So your approach, the way you perceive writing, I'm so taken by this, someone with all your success is still doing what I'm doing it, right? But I'm not in your place in my career, you know, so that it's still happening to you.

How have you been able to continue to have like this curiosity about the craft of writing?
We were talking about plotters versus pantsers, and I really always hated those phrases.
And then Ken Babel said, architects and gardeners, which is a much more beautiful way to look at it.

So when you, when you talk about like labels, like I'm thinking of this, the scene and sequel, I mean, obviously, you know, structure very well.

How much is the label important? Because I've talked to authors and even for myself, like it took me under, it was Jessica Brody's Save the Cat Writes a Novel.

I don't know if you've ever read that, but she talks about wants versus needs.

And it was, you know, the thing they're seeking, but you know, it could be a misbelief or whatever, but the thing they actually need that you often have another character tell them.

But I've been trying to understand that internal and external and how they merge together until I heard that.

Do you find that with other language that you just have to hear the same principle, even if you're using it, but hear it differently?
But yes, absolutely, you will be kind of groping your way towards something, and then somebody will say something that basically turns on the light.
So the crystallization of an idea through language is always... a beautiful thing as far as I'm concerned.

So your approach, the way you perceive writing, I'm so taken by this, someone with all your success is still doing what I'm doing it, right? But I'm not in your place in my career, you know, so that it's still happening to you.

How have you been able to continue to have like this curiosity about the craft of writing?
We were talking about plotters versus pantsers, and I really always hated those phrases.
And then Ken Babel said, architects and gardeners, which is a much more beautiful way to look at it.
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