Jun 10, 2026 · 1 hr 17 min · 11 segments
Billy and Jake hit News & Nonsense with GOATA vs WOATA takes and what Malik Nabers’ value and injury profile really mean. They dig into the “scars” that shaped their playstyle, then fire off some…
But I did, I did dig into the research a little bit on this, and so what it's really referring to is, uh, w- what we w- what I guess the medical community would call knee valgus, which is kind of the inward bending of the knees, right? And you get kind of that duck-footed nature as well, if you think of...
Jerry Judy is another really good one, um, you know, from the past, who, uh, has some really, I think, unique movement.
But I think it, it kind of comes from, uh, that bending of the knee inward and almost where you see those knees kinda like tapping each other, depending on how pronounced the, the knee valgus is.
And so I wanted to kinda dig into, you know, the impact of this because it, it is interesting.
We have seen a few different, uh, players experience some injuries who do, um, e- exhibit this kind of movement, right? I mean, s- speaking of Harold Fant and himself, like you'll see, you know, he had the groin injury.
Uh, Jerry Judy kind of riddled career of injuries as well in kind of the same vein.
And then I think the one that is probably the most high value player, at least in recent memory, is going to be Malik Nabers.
And so I, I just looked at kinda some of the peer-reviewed, uh, research that's out there, and it's definitely inconclusive.
Like it is, it is not, [laughs] it, it's not like, oh well, if you have knee valgus, then you are going to be, you know, seeing a higher risk of injuries down the road.
But there is indication that there is higher risk factor for sure with uncontrolled high rapid, poorly controlled dynamic knee valgus.
I think when you're one of these high-end athletes, you tend to actually be more controlled, so I don't know if it's something that...
I don't know if it's something that we should be, "Oh, we see this, and now we need to degrade a player's value because of it," right? Like, I would not say that that's the case.
But I would say if we're seeing a player who [laughs] exhibits uncontrolled movement while also having this, you, you...
there may be some, uh, increased ri- risk factors for them long term, especially in terms of ACL injuries.
I mean, if you look at some of the, the research, like the populations that they're using, the sample size is really small.
But I do think from a framing perspective, like the best way to, to think of it is that any injury is due to like multiple factors, right? And so th- it's just one important piece of it, and it's not like a standalone villain, for lack of a better term.
But I did, I did dig into the research a little bit on this, and so what it's really referring to is, uh, w- what we w- what I guess the medical community would call knee valgus, which is kind of the inward bending of the knees, right? And you get kind of that duck-footed nature as well, if you think of...
Jerry Judy is another really good one, um, you know, from the past, who, uh, has some really, I think, unique movement.
But I think it, it kind of comes from, uh, that bending of the knee inward and almost where you see those knees kinda like tapping each other, depending on how pronounced the, the knee valgus is.
And so I wanted to kinda dig into, you know, the impact of this because it, it is interesting.
We have seen a few different, uh, players experience some injuries who do, um, e- exhibit this kind of movement, right? I mean, s- speaking of Harold Fant and himself, like you'll see, you know, he had the groin injury.
Uh, Jerry Judy kind of riddled career of injuries as well in kind of the same vein.
And then I think the one that is probably the most high value player, at least in recent memory, is going to be Malik Nabers.
And so I, I just looked at kinda some of the peer-reviewed, uh, research that's out there, and it's definitely inconclusive.
Like it is, it is not, [laughs] it, it's not like, oh well, if you have knee valgus, then you are going to be, you know, seeing a higher risk of injuries down the road.
But there is indication that there is higher risk factor for sure with uncontrolled high rapid, poorly controlled dynamic knee valgus.
I think when you're one of these high-end athletes, you tend to actually be more controlled, so I don't know if it's something that...
I don't know if it's something that we should be, "Oh, we see this, and now we need to degrade a player's value because of it," right? Like, I would not say that that's the case.
But I would say if we're seeing a player who [laughs] exhibits uncontrolled movement while also having this, you, you...
there may be some, uh, increased ri- risk factors for them long term, especially in terms of ACL injuries.
I mean, if you look at some of the, the research, like the populations that they're using, the sample size is really small.
But I do think from a framing perspective, like the best way to, to think of it is that any injury is due to like multiple factors, right? And so th- it's just one important piece of it, and it's not like a standalone villain, for lack of a better term.
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