Jul 14, 2026 · 32 min · 11 segments
**When Tradition Becomes Trouble** On the side of a mountain in Switzerland, in the shadow of the Alps, a fanciful event attracting a small but ardent group of Catholic traditionalists gathered to…
Claire GiangraveGuestAmanda HendersonHost
So who knows what would happen, what will happen in the next 40 years to that wayward group.
So I, I know you don't want to project this, uh, experience on others, but what do you think this small schism reveals about the larger problem facing modern religion, how to honor this human longing for ancient forms without letting nostalgia become a refusal of the present and our modern realities of inclusion?
Um, holding that tension and that dynamic is something that is really a major challenge for the church, and we can tell that for Leo, the main object of, of his papacy is to have that unity.
Um, and we've seen that Leo is willing to try and plead and dialogue for that unity as long as that dialogue is possible.
Um, and once that door is shut, I, I mean, it is shut, and there's not much more that, [laughs] that you can do about it.
Um, there are always tensions pulling at the church, and it's the job of the pontiff to attempt to hold those realities, those liturgies, those preferences, those Catholics-
There's so much to learn from this, I think, for not just what's happening in the Catholic Church, but things that we can see, uh-
So who knows what would happen, what will happen in the next 40 years to that wayward group.
So I, I know you don't want to project this, uh, experience on others, but what do you think this small schism reveals about the larger problem facing modern religion, how to honor this human longing for ancient forms without letting nostalgia become a refusal of the present and our modern realities of inclusion?
Um, holding that tension and that dynamic is something that is really a major challenge for the church, and we can tell that for Leo, the main object of, of his papacy is to have that unity.
Um, and we've seen that Leo is willing to try and plead and dialogue for that unity as long as that dialogue is possible.
Um, and once that door is shut, I, I mean, it is shut, and there's not much more that, [laughs] that you can do about it.
Um, there are always tensions pulling at the church, and it's the job of the pontiff to attempt to hold those realities, those liturgies, those preferences, those Catholics-
There's so much to learn from this, I think, for not just what's happening in the Catholic Church, but things that we can see, uh-
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