Sep 13, 2026 · 1 hr 13 min · 11 segments
Recorded live on September 11, 2026 On the 25th anniversary of September 11th, Julie Roginsky, Michelle Kinney, and Jeff Jarvis share where they were that day and how the last 25 years have changed…
Michelle KinneyHost
Julie RoginskyHost
Jeff JarvisHost
3,000 people dead that day, hundreds of thousands more dead as a result of that day.
And Jeff, I think your point is well taken as to what you wrote today on Medium, which I'm going to drop into the chat here.
But I will say, I only wish that that day had made us kind of appeal to our better angels.
eager to hear from both of you is, is I think we still haven't grappled with real impact of what it did to us as a nation.
Um, you know, I think George Bush was dying to go into Iraq anyway because, you know, as he said, they tried to kill my dad.
So I think there was a sense of vengeance there and unfinished business there from him and his administration because he didn't think his dad, you know, finished the job and had quote-unquote went out and taken Baghdad.
Somebody, a member of Congress whose name I will not divulge because he's still alive.
And he said to me a quote that I'll never forget, out of chaos comes opportunity.
This is Democrats saying this, but I'll never forget it because I think that's where the Bush administration immediately pivoted out of chaos because opportunity and opportunity was to go into Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.
I want to stress that their friends, the Saudis, had quite a bit to do with 9-11.
yet.
3,000 people dead that day, hundreds of thousands more dead as a result of that day.
And Jeff, I think your point is well taken as to what you wrote today on Medium, which I'm going to drop into the chat here.
But I will say, I only wish that that day had made us kind of appeal to our better angels.
eager to hear from both of you is, is I think we still haven't grappled with real impact of what it did to us as a nation.
Um, you know, I think George Bush was dying to go into Iraq anyway because, you know, as he said, they tried to kill my dad.
So I think there was a sense of vengeance there and unfinished business there from him and his administration because he didn't think his dad, you know, finished the job and had quote-unquote went out and taken Baghdad.
Somebody, a member of Congress whose name I will not divulge because he's still alive.
And he said to me a quote that I'll never forget, out of chaos comes opportunity.
This is Democrats saying this, but I'll never forget it because I think that's where the Bush administration immediately pivoted out of chaos because opportunity and opportunity was to go into Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.
I want to stress that their friends, the Saudis, had quite a bit to do with 9-11.
yet.
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