Sep 10, 2026 · 17 min · 9 segments
In some corners of the church, what Joel Muddamalle and Doug Van Dorn argue in this episode gets called heresy. Their claim is simple and enormous. The Angel of the Lord who stands before Joshua…
Doug Van DornGuestJoel MuddamalleGuest
Luke RodgersHost
Nate HenryHostYeah.
Um, like, you honored me to have that be, I think, episode 100, Angel of the Lord.
So, and that was the Angel of the Lord episode, and, and, uh, it's such an important topic because I think so many people think that the Old Testament God is, like, this unitarian entity.
When I first came across this in Heiser's, uh, kind of the book that became The Unseen Realm, I was just blown away.
He had spoken about the Angel of the Lord in a couple of chapters, and then his book was way broader than that.
And I started thinking, this, as a pastor, somebody who wants people to understand, especially the connections between the two Testaments so that this becomes one book, I thought this was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen to be able to do that.
Yeah.
Um, like, you honored me to have that be, I think, episode 100, Angel of the Lord.
So, and that was the Angel of the Lord episode, and, and, uh, it's such an important topic because I think so many people think that the Old Testament God is, like, this unitarian entity.
When I first came across this in Heiser's, uh, kind of the book that became The Unseen Realm, I was just blown away.
He had spoken about the Angel of the Lord in a couple of chapters, and then his book was way broader than that.
And I started thinking, this, as a pastor, somebody who wants people to understand, especially the connections between the two Testaments so that this becomes one book, I thought this was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen to be able to do that.
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