Sep 14, 2026 · 47 min · 16 segments
What happens when a pastor approaches affordable housing with the discipline, financial fluency, and ambition of a seasoned real estate developer? In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Chris Papa and…
Lisa FlickerHostLike, why is it? It feels like a lot of, churches and I assume temples and everything is like they're shedding some of their property, their land or whatever.
At the heart of it, there is a crisis in Christendom, and that may be across other faiths as well, but I can only speak to the one I know, which is that many churches are losing members, losing eyeballs, and when that happens, they lose tithes, they lose donations, and they lose the basis of their ability to continue to operate in without having to leverage their land.
And so what they have left is their land, which is quite valuable, especially in the areas we're all focused on in principle, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, any high density area.
And then you line that up against the fact that their model was to buy quite a bit of land and use most of it for parking.
And so now they have sometimes one, two, three, four, five partials of parking and other buildings that they're not using the same way.
And what He now has to offer what is quite a bit of excess land in tight markets where there is a lot of demand and not enough units.

And I guess potentially that's a good thing to develop the housing that we desperately need, right?
Like, why is it? It feels like a lot of, churches and I assume temples and everything is like they're shedding some of their property, their land or whatever.
At the heart of it, there is a crisis in Christendom, and that may be across other faiths as well, but I can only speak to the one I know, which is that many churches are losing members, losing eyeballs, and when that happens, they lose tithes, they lose donations, and they lose the basis of their ability to continue to operate in without having to leverage their land.
And so what they have left is their land, which is quite valuable, especially in the areas we're all focused on in principle, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, any high density area.
And then you line that up against the fact that their model was to buy quite a bit of land and use most of it for parking.
And so now they have sometimes one, two, three, four, five partials of parking and other buildings that they're not using the same way.
And what He now has to offer what is quite a bit of excess land in tight markets where there is a lot of demand and not enough units.

And I guess potentially that's a good thing to develop the housing that we desperately need, right?
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