And so you have to come in and

educate them, I assume, on a lot of this stuff? It's a both and.

And then I would love to answer your question, Lisa.

It's a both and.

So I think we both overestimate, we put too much on pastor's plates and we have too high and too low expectations.

So what I found is that to a degree, you know, getting on Google, getting on AI, et cetera, has to some degree flattened or democratized the ability of people to even understand what a ground lacer, a joint venture is.

I walk into meetings, there is a conceptual understanding sometimes, let alone the fact that if you take the entirety of the membership, there's a lot of capacity that exists in the pastor's leadership team, et cetera.

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