JD Vance on AI, Entitlement Fraud, Iran War, Israel, H-1B Abuse & the Midterms

Let's, um, let's maybe double-click on that, Mr.

Vice President.

There's one, one of the ways that we can get out of this is through growth and productivity growth, but there is this crazy dynamic where it just seems like there are forces, many inside the United States, um, that try to slow us down, whether it's data centers, and you may have heard yesterday, but the president called in and tried to help debunk it with Jensen.

Meta, uh, was here debunking.

Uh, Microsoft was here.

But it just seems like a whack-a-mole problem of trying to actually get the truth out.

Just talk to us about how we've ended up in this situation where there are these forces that are trying to effectively lie or fearmonger to try to take power.

Yeah, so [laughs] this is something I think we could spend an hour talking about.

I know we don't have that much time, Chamath.

But, but fundamentally, when I see the backlash to data centers, what I see is the, the, the, the necessary, the inevitable consequence of the United States not building enough power for a generation.

And so we've talked about this before, but if, if...

When I talk to people, and I obviously sort of, I'm out there campaigning a lot and talking to people a lot, uh, there, there's definitely some basic NIMBYism in the anti-data center thing.

But there's also, you know, you talk to a guy who, a year ago, his power bill was $290 a month, and now it's $580 a month.

And the reality is that in blue states, where we've made it impossible to build additional el- electricity generation, you're seeing a backlash when people start paying additional power costs.

Now, my response to that is you can't just stop building because of it.

What you've got to do is build the things that you need, specifically power.

So, you know, Elon talks about this all the time, but I talk about it, too.

If you look at the amount of power generated by the PRC, the People's Republic of China, and compare it to the amount of power generated by the United States of America, in 2005 they crossed the line, meaning they started to generate just a little bit more power than we did in 2005, and since then, we have affec- effectively flat-lined, and the PRC now generates three times as much electricity as the United States of America does.

I think that a lot of our problems, um, are downstream of that fundamental problem, and we just have to build more.

We have to build more power.

We...

I mean, you know, I, I think that we have to have this vision in the United States of electricity that is too cheap to meter, and that's, I think, the way that you push back against some of this ridiculous, um, you know, sort of anti-building power [clapping] comes from the failure to generate the electricity that we need.

And I, I just, I don't understand how we ever got here as a country.

I think the environmental movement obviously has a lot to do with it, but we've just got to build more power, and that's how we solve this problem fundamentally.

Right.