Aug 31, 2026 · 55 min · 11 segments
What does **real recovery** from panic disorder actually look like? Today I'm joined by Tom: a musician, Panic to Peace student, and one of the most genuine humans I've had on this podcast. Tom's…
Shannon IrelandHostI kind of want to do this without it.
But when I got to the security checkpoint, a little numbness, walked through, fine.
Got on the plane and got there.
It was, you know, you mentioned it as a pressure cooker, right? The car or the train or the plane.
For me, what has helped is, yeah, it might happen, but it's never killed you.
It will never kill you.
I actually, I played a gig about a month ago and this woman talked to me in between my sets and she's now a psychologist.
I mentioned something and she said, oh, you were agoraphobic.
She goes, but you live an hour away.
You're playing here? She said, I don't even know you.
I'm so proud of you.
Because she knows what it was like.
Every day I would hike.
And I said, well, what did you do? I was like, because I'm still working through some of this stuff.
And I love this line.
It's a little crude, but I use it now.
She said, you know, one day I woke up and I told it, you're just going to have to fucking kill me then because I'm going to that's what's going to have to happen.
Yeah.
And that mentality and certain things, you know, your what if to even if.
was new to me, you're just going to have to fucking kill me, was, like, fantastic.
I kind of want to do this without it.
But when I got to the security checkpoint, a little numbness, walked through, fine.
Got on the plane and got there.
It was, you know, you mentioned it as a pressure cooker, right? The car or the train or the plane.
For me, what has helped is, yeah, it might happen, but it's never killed you.
It will never kill you.
I actually, I played a gig about a month ago and this woman talked to me in between my sets and she's now a psychologist.
I mentioned something and she said, oh, you were agoraphobic.
She goes, but you live an hour away.
You're playing here? She said, I don't even know you.
I'm so proud of you.
Because she knows what it was like.
Every day I would hike.
And I said, well, what did you do? I was like, because I'm still working through some of this stuff.
And I love this line.
It's a little crude, but I use it now.
She said, you know, one day I woke up and I told it, you're just going to have to fucking kill me then because I'm going to that's what's going to have to happen.
Yeah.
And that mentality and certain things, you know, your what if to even if.
was new to me, you're just going to have to fucking kill me, was, like, fantastic.
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