Why aren’t we talking about this
Sep 24, 2026 · 43 min · 11 segments
For most of us, psychedelics come with a lot of baggage. Drugs. Hippies. Bad trips. Losing control. Yet, there’s another conversation happening around them. One about perspective, identity…
Nasreen El-MarieshGuest
Carly Osman-HolmeHost
So Nixon's government in the United States did a really good job on this.

So basically psychedelics in the plant-based form have been used by indigenous cultures for thousands of years, and I'm sure we'll get onto that.

And he didn't realize that it was a psychedelic substance until I think 1942, right? When it actually was like, wow, what can this do? And the psychiatric world was all a buzz.

This substance that could... open up people's pathways, could make them think differently, could be incredibly healing.

So there were research trials going on, the United States government, the CIA were all conducting research and experiments because this was the potential of this human enhancing substance.

But at the same time, so 1950s, early 60s, you had tension between the United States and communism and so you got the Vietnam War and what you also had was the counterculture so there were plenty of Americans who were anti the war you had the civil rights movement this was all disruptive to the government in the United States at the time so what they did is they lumped them together and they said that the reason that you know um these dangerous people were so dangerous is because they're all taking psychedelics and psychedelics are incredibly dangerous to human society.

So the anti-war movement was countered by the government with an anti-drugs movement.

sudden the research stopped and there were all of these, the governments internationally were speaking to one another and saying, we've got a clamp down on drugs.

So you then have the same thing furthering on in the Reagan era, Nancy Reagan saying no to drugs, Margaret Thatcher, it just continued on this thread.

I mean, I can't tell you how many people come up to me and say, oh, someone came to my school and they told me that they did a talk about acid.

And apparently, you know, if you take acid, you'll jump out the window or your arms will become snakes and you'll chop your arms off.

So Nixon's government in the United States did a really good job on this.

So basically psychedelics in the plant-based form have been used by indigenous cultures for thousands of years, and I'm sure we'll get onto that.

And he didn't realize that it was a psychedelic substance until I think 1942, right? When it actually was like, wow, what can this do? And the psychiatric world was all a buzz.

This substance that could... open up people's pathways, could make them think differently, could be incredibly healing.

So there were research trials going on, the United States government, the CIA were all conducting research and experiments because this was the potential of this human enhancing substance.

But at the same time, so 1950s, early 60s, you had tension between the United States and communism and so you got the Vietnam War and what you also had was the counterculture so there were plenty of Americans who were anti the war you had the civil rights movement this was all disruptive to the government in the United States at the time so what they did is they lumped them together and they said that the reason that you know um these dangerous people were so dangerous is because they're all taking psychedelics and psychedelics are incredibly dangerous to human society.

So the anti-war movement was countered by the government with an anti-drugs movement.

sudden the research stopped and there were all of these, the governments internationally were speaking to one another and saying, we've got a clamp down on drugs.

So you then have the same thing furthering on in the Reagan era, Nancy Reagan saying no to drugs, Margaret Thatcher, it just continued on this thread.

I mean, I can't tell you how many people come up to me and say, oh, someone came to my school and they told me that they did a talk about acid.

And apparently, you know, if you take acid, you'll jump out the window or your arms will become snakes and you'll chop your arms off.
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