Oct 6, 2026 · 1 hr 5 min · 11 segments
In this episode, Jason Hoevelmann shares insights on leadership, the importance of humility, developing company officers, and adapting to rapid changes in the fire service. Discover practical…
Eric LinnenburgerHostJust, uh, the challenges are, are unreal, and, um, I think it's probably more important than ever for fire chiefs to have that political acumen.
And it doesn't happen natural- it doesn't happen automatically, right? When we're coming up-
... through the firehouse and, and, [chuckles] and, and you learn the hard way sometimes, you know, to learn those hard lessons.
... how do you feel about that as far as, uh, that divide between, you know, that technical experience and, and that, uh, more didactic kinda, um, traditional education that's needed, especially for our higher l- ranks of leadership?
Uh, I do think the higher that a person promotes, the, the more they need to, um, try to fill some of the, the gaps that experience can't fill, uh, with education.
And, and I don't believe you have to have a degree to be a good officer at any level.
Do I think that it makes you better prepared and armed for things? Absolutely.
But there will be chiefs and chief officers that never get a formal education that are gonna be phenomenal.
But I, I'll, I'll just offer this though, is that what I have learned in my eight years is that, uh, and I-- and just for full disclosure, I have an MBA, I've got my EFO, I am slowly pursuing a doctoral, but what I have learned is that that, that education and what I've learned has served me very well in dealing with stakeholders and politicians because you're able to better speak their language and understand what they're, where they're coming from.
Just, uh, the challenges are, are unreal, and, um, I think it's probably more important than ever for fire chiefs to have that political acumen.
And it doesn't happen natural- it doesn't happen automatically, right? When we're coming up-
... through the firehouse and, and, [chuckles] and, and you learn the hard way sometimes, you know, to learn those hard lessons.
... how do you feel about that as far as, uh, that divide between, you know, that technical experience and, and that, uh, more didactic kinda, um, traditional education that's needed, especially for our higher l- ranks of leadership?
Uh, I do think the higher that a person promotes, the, the more they need to, um, try to fill some of the, the gaps that experience can't fill, uh, with education.
And, and I don't believe you have to have a degree to be a good officer at any level.
Do I think that it makes you better prepared and armed for things? Absolutely.
But there will be chiefs and chief officers that never get a formal education that are gonna be phenomenal.
But I, I'll, I'll just offer this though, is that what I have learned in my eight years is that, uh, and I-- and just for full disclosure, I have an MBA, I've got my EFO, I am slowly pursuing a doctoral, but what I have learned is that that, that education and what I've learned has served me very well in dealing with stakeholders and politicians because you're able to better speak their language and understand what they're, where they're coming from.
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