We Spend More on Interest Than Defense: We’re In A Debt Crisis | Marc Goldwein

Jolene and I have been trying to work out whether the US is actually in a financial emergency, or whether we’re just stuck in the usual loop of scary headlines, charts, and people yelling on cable news. Because after a while you either spiral or you go numb, and neither one helps you understand what’s real. So we spoke to economist Marc Goldwein, and instead of drama, he gave us the calm, numbers-based version, which was somehow more unsettling. Marc’s view is blunt: the US is in the worst financial shape it’s ever been in, at least in the ways that matter for what comes next. He points to 10-year and 30-year Treasury yields being the highest since the early 2000s, which matters because higher interest rates plus massive national debt means the cost of servicing that debt starts eating everything else. It’s like carrying a credit card balance you can’t pay down, then watching the interest rate jump while you try to keep living your life as normal. The part that really lands is this: US interest payments now exceed national defense spending. That’s not a talking point, it’s a budget reality, and it changes what the government can afford to do. Marc also explains that while the national debt is close to its World War II level, the interest burden is worse, with interest as a share of the economy roughly doubling. So even if the debt number feels historically familiar, the pressure it creates today is not. Then we get to the obvious question: if it’s this bad, why aren’t we fixing it? Marc’s answer is basically incentives. Politicians get rewarded for cutting taxes and handing out benefits, and punished for asking people to pay more or accept less. Add in the time-horizon problem, where leaders focus on the next election instead of the next decade, and you get a system that keeps kicking the can until it turns into a wrecking ball. The takeaway is uncomfortable but simple: this isn’t only a politician problem, it’s also a voter problem, and if we don’t face it now, we’re handing future generations a country where more and more money goes to interest and less goes to anything that actually makes life better. ## **CHAPTER MARKERS:** 00:00 Introduction 03:09 Why Debt Keeps Rising 04:17 Social Security Clock 06:47 Explaining The Trust Fund 12:22 Simpson Bowles Lessons 19:11 Two Big New Ideas 23:27 AARP And Political Will 27:00 What It Takes To Reform 29:21 Commissions Versus Regular Order 32:54 Why AARP Has Power 34:49 Debt Versus Deficit 41:12 Fixes Healthcare Waste 45:04 Tax Reform And Revenue 51:48 Your Civic Assignment 53:56 Where To Find CRFB **RESOURCES MENTIONED** **Committee For A Responsible Federal Budget:** https://www.crfb.org/ **Marc's Good for the Soul:** https://marthastable.org/ **LINKS:** **Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/** **YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk** **Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701** **Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2** **How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/** **How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/**