Jun 3, 2026 · 1 hr 18 min · 12 segments
This episode is a conversation between Naz Cuguoğlu and Steve Dickison. Steve directed The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives at San Francisco State University from 1999 to 2024, and is a writer…
Steve DickisonGuest
Naz CuguoğluGuest
Mine KaplangıHost
Martin HargreavesHost
And I saw this at Bancroft Library when I was writing my thesis about Etel, by the way.
But she talks about a lot of things, but it's, like, very personal and very biographical, and she talks about, like, how she travels to Bodega Bay.
Like, and I have been to Beirut, and I'm from Istanbul, but when you live in the city, like, your sense of perception is so different.
It's like this whole drama, like theatrical, that's, like, happening, like, in front of your eyes.
And I think, like, how she starts thinking about space and place and the galaxies and the stars and the nature, it starts here, and it really transforms into her language almost.
And she also talks about this, too, like, how she becomes a poet once she moves here-
think.Yeah. And Etel Adnan becoming a poet, I mean, her story is very complicated.
She's schooled, as you learn in this Growing Up to Be a Woman Writer in Beirut, that, that essay-
She went to French schools, colonial schools, used French almost, you know, entirely through her education.
And I saw this at Bancroft Library when I was writing my thesis about Etel, by the way.
But she talks about a lot of things, but it's, like, very personal and very biographical, and she talks about, like, how she travels to Bodega Bay.
Like, and I have been to Beirut, and I'm from Istanbul, but when you live in the city, like, your sense of perception is so different.
It's like this whole drama, like theatrical, that's, like, happening, like, in front of your eyes.
And I think, like, how she starts thinking about space and place and the galaxies and the stars and the nature, it starts here, and it really transforms into her language almost.
And she also talks about this, too, like, how she becomes a poet once she moves here-
think.Yeah. And Etel Adnan becoming a poet, I mean, her story is very complicated.
She's schooled, as you learn in this Growing Up to Be a Woman Writer in Beirut, that, that essay-
She went to French schools, colonial schools, used French almost, you know, entirely through her education.
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