Cari GoetzGuestSarah HillHostAnd, um, and I think that these are things that, uh, so many of us, especially, uh, women who are in the dating market right now, um, are having to navigate.
And so I think that it would be really useful to have your perspective, um, and based on your, uh, extensive relationship history, um, to tell us about some of these things.
And I wanted to start by talking about something that it- you all coined as mate switching.
And I think all of us who are listening have been in a situation, um, where our partner was either trading us out, or where we were with a partner and we were thinking to ourself, "Might I do better than this person that I'm with?" And in plain terms, what is mate switching?

It's just this idea that we do, um, go from one partner to another sometimes, or our partner goes from us to someone else.

Um, and that could have been for lots of different reasons, right? Um, especially pre-modern medicine, people would've died.

... and so being able to move on to someone else or possibly, uh, be aware of potential alternatives would have been good.

But even if people didn't die, there might have been really functional, adaptive reasons that people would've, um... relationships would have come to an end.

Um, and it would have been better for one partner or the other, or maybe both, uh, to be moving on to other people.

Um, and so that paper was really trying to explicitly think about those contexts and the psychology, right, around that idea of when you might feel a motivation to, um, move from one partner to consider others.
Yeah, and in your paper you all outlined three things that tend to trigger a mate switch.
One is a shift in either partner's value, the arrival of someone new or better, or unexpected costs your partner brings into the relationship, what you all call the relationship load.
I wanna kinda stick on this one because this was a term that I'd never heard before, relationship load, but as soon as I heard it, I knew exactly what it was.

So we were thinking of this as these sort of unexpected costs that, um, come along with being with a particular partner.
And, um, and I think that these are things that, uh, so many of us, especially, uh, women who are in the dating market right now, um, are having to navigate.
And so I think that it would be really useful to have your perspective, um, and based on your, uh, extensive relationship history, um, to tell us about some of these things.
And I wanted to start by talking about something that it- you all coined as mate switching.
And I think all of us who are listening have been in a situation, um, where our partner was either trading us out, or where we were with a partner and we were thinking to ourself, "Might I do better than this person that I'm with?" And in plain terms, what is mate switching?

It's just this idea that we do, um, go from one partner to another sometimes, or our partner goes from us to someone else.

Um, and that could have been for lots of different reasons, right? Um, especially pre-modern medicine, people would've died.

... and so being able to move on to someone else or possibly, uh, be aware of potential alternatives would have been good.

But even if people didn't die, there might have been really functional, adaptive reasons that people would've, um... relationships would have come to an end.

Um, and it would have been better for one partner or the other, or maybe both, uh, to be moving on to other people.

Um, and so that paper was really trying to explicitly think about those contexts and the psychology, right, around that idea of when you might feel a motivation to, um, move from one partner to consider others.
Yeah, and in your paper you all outlined three things that tend to trigger a mate switch.
One is a shift in either partner's value, the arrival of someone new or better, or unexpected costs your partner brings into the relationship, what you all call the relationship load.
I wanna kinda stick on this one because this was a term that I'd never heard before, relationship load, but as soon as I heard it, I knew exactly what it was.

So we were thinking of this as these sort of unexpected costs that, um, come along with being with a particular partner.
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