Sep 17, 2026 · 1 hr 8 min · 13 segments
Click here for the video link on YouTube My 1st interview with Joyce The original YouTube link to the Free Cities Conference was made private, soon after this was posted. Here is main website of The…
Joyce BrandGuest
Mark MarescaHost
One of your other ongoing projects is the ongoing Substack series that you put out on governance systems.

I read it as soon as I get it in my inbox because I want to see what Joyce has to say about the next step or the next chapter in this.

For the folks, it is a framework of how governance systems works, but typically she will pick out the particular city in the world somewhere that represents one of the themes that she wants to convey in that particular chapter of the whole.

And you've already covered, I'm gonna count them here, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13 cities, if I'm counting correctly so far, that represent a different aspect of things.

Well, I wanted to, with the series, I wanted to start with cities that do something right, cities that are successful because of various reasons, because there are so many different aspects of governance.

And even cities that are doing some things wrong, they're doing other things right.

And that's what I was looking for, the lessons from the cities that are working and that we can learn from.

I do intend going forward to soon finish the positive lessons and switch to some of the things that go wrong with cities that we can see where a contrast of where bad governance has a different effect.

One of the things that they did very recently, in fact, it was after the most previous one, I think, was I thought, all right, she's got a good dozen example cities in there and each one covers a different sort of sub-topic.

And I thought, let me put that together and see if I see a framework there or a general overarching principle.

All of these cities, including, by the way, any free city like Prosper or whatever, are encouraging competition.

If there's competition, then that means that you have any number of a variety of entities, people, businesses, whoever, who are going to buy to, you know, for the business or whatever it may be in that region.

The competition incentivizes dependable infrastructure and that leads to some of the details of infrastructure that we see in the city example, like adaptability, stability, openness, public visibility, simplicity, neutrality, tolerance, things like that.

One of your other ongoing projects is the ongoing Substack series that you put out on governance systems.

I read it as soon as I get it in my inbox because I want to see what Joyce has to say about the next step or the next chapter in this.

For the folks, it is a framework of how governance systems works, but typically she will pick out the particular city in the world somewhere that represents one of the themes that she wants to convey in that particular chapter of the whole.

And you've already covered, I'm gonna count them here, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13 cities, if I'm counting correctly so far, that represent a different aspect of things.

Well, I wanted to, with the series, I wanted to start with cities that do something right, cities that are successful because of various reasons, because there are so many different aspects of governance.

And even cities that are doing some things wrong, they're doing other things right.

And that's what I was looking for, the lessons from the cities that are working and that we can learn from.

I do intend going forward to soon finish the positive lessons and switch to some of the things that go wrong with cities that we can see where a contrast of where bad governance has a different effect.

One of the things that they did very recently, in fact, it was after the most previous one, I think, was I thought, all right, she's got a good dozen example cities in there and each one covers a different sort of sub-topic.

And I thought, let me put that together and see if I see a framework there or a general overarching principle.

All of these cities, including, by the way, any free city like Prosper or whatever, are encouraging competition.

If there's competition, then that means that you have any number of a variety of entities, people, businesses, whoever, who are going to buy to, you know, for the business or whatever it may be in that region.

The competition incentivizes dependable infrastructure and that leads to some of the details of infrastructure that we see in the city example, like adaptability, stability, openness, public visibility, simplicity, neutrality, tolerance, things like that.
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