Jeremy StevensonGuestEricHostI want to center some of our conversation on your book and then we can branch out as it feels appropriate.
But you touched on a couple of things that potentially make the origin of your book, the 12 levers obvious, but I just want to be clear first, is there, are there things about you that it would help for a listener to know in order to understand how you came to write this book with Spencer Greenberg?

Yeah, definitely as I mentioned before, I was lucky because I started to find good self-help around my early 20s and it changed my life.

So I had that experience reading A New Guide to Rational Living, that book, and I had another experience reading a blog that made me realize how much my approval seeking was causing my suffering and it helped me let go a lot of that and cultivate more of an attitude of self-acceptance.

So that was one observation that, you know, there are good techniques out there, but they're hard to find.

The other is that even when you do find good techniques, they're not always easy to understand.

You might be told to do things you can't control, like just believe in yourself, stop thinking negatively.

And the other interesting thing is that the more I read into self-help books and the more I got into my PhD, becoming a psychologist, the more I started to notice these patterns in techniques.

So you'd read a book and you'd get past the theory and stories and motivational material.

It's like they might have a different name, but you recognize them from somewhere before.

And I was really eager to learn about this therapy that I hadn't encountered yet called cognitive processing therapy.

But what I found was that the core technique of cognitive processing therapy was the same as one of the core techniques of cognitive behavioral therapy.

And it's the technique I mentioned before, cognitive restructuring, where you're challenging your thinking.

It doesn't mean that those therapies don't work or that technique's not effective.

They're very effective, but it's just a good example of the overlap in techniques that you often find when you spend a lot of time in these resources.

So those observations made us want to, number one, create a place where you had all the most effective techniques in one place.

And then number two, to explore, is there a hidden framework beneath all these techniques? It certainly seemed like there was something connecting the dots that we hadn't uncovered yet.
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I want to center some of our conversation on your book and then we can branch out as it feels appropriate.
But you touched on a couple of things that potentially make the origin of your book, the 12 levers obvious, but I just want to be clear first, is there, are there things about you that it would help for a listener to know in order to understand how you came to write this book with Spencer Greenberg?

Yeah, definitely as I mentioned before, I was lucky because I started to find good self-help around my early 20s and it changed my life.

So I had that experience reading A New Guide to Rational Living, that book, and I had another experience reading a blog that made me realize how much my approval seeking was causing my suffering and it helped me let go a lot of that and cultivate more of an attitude of self-acceptance.

So that was one observation that, you know, there are good techniques out there, but they're hard to find.

The other is that even when you do find good techniques, they're not always easy to understand.

You might be told to do things you can't control, like just believe in yourself, stop thinking negatively.

And the other interesting thing is that the more I read into self-help books and the more I got into my PhD, becoming a psychologist, the more I started to notice these patterns in techniques.

So you'd read a book and you'd get past the theory and stories and motivational material.

It's like they might have a different name, but you recognize them from somewhere before.

And I was really eager to learn about this therapy that I hadn't encountered yet called cognitive processing therapy.

But what I found was that the core technique of cognitive processing therapy was the same as one of the core techniques of cognitive behavioral therapy.

And it's the technique I mentioned before, cognitive restructuring, where you're challenging your thinking.

It doesn't mean that those therapies don't work or that technique's not effective.

They're very effective, but it's just a good example of the overlap in techniques that you often find when you spend a lot of time in these resources.

So those observations made us want to, number one, create a place where you had all the most effective techniques in one place.

And then number two, to explore, is there a hidden framework beneath all these techniques? It certainly seemed like there was something connecting the dots that we hadn't uncovered yet.
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