Jul 31, 2026 · 1 hr 46 min · 18 segments
Welcome to Episode #142! We bring on Gracie for her third appearance (#129, #121). We start off breaking down Chuck Klosterman's comments about The Ringer's impact on movie discourse - is he right…
Bill SimmonsHostGracieGuest
So starting with the ringer and yeah, Gracie, you came on a year ago and you talked about how you were a big fan of the big picture and rewatchables and the you we've had an episode with imperial twilight he was the guest who had an entire rewatchables episode a couple episodes ago with rebecca talking about how she became a fan of bill simmons only after the ringers pop culture so the the kind of consensus on on this show now and on the ringer in general is that the right way to be viewing bill in 2026 is not just his podcast alone But the impact that the ringer is having pop culture wise, which we've been saying they're apexing.
And I think Chuck Klosterman specifically essentially saying that on the pod from a couple of weeks ago, like I said in the intro, kind of totally vindicates those takes.
But for people that haven't ordered refresh, I'll go through briefly what he said.
which essentially he was saying that the ringer through the rewatchables and the big pick, it's impacted how the average person thinks about movies.
I have a quote here that He said, you, as in Bill, have created a meaning to rewatching a movie that you're introducing rewatching movies for the content.
What were your thoughts when you heard that? Because both me and you, we listened to it.
We listened to a couple of times immediately after because it was so fascinating to hear Chuck talk about what we've kind of been probably thinking for a while.
Yeah, I think his point was like, not necessarily that like a podcast about movies is super like groundbreaking but I do agree with him that like the collective like lingo around the rewatchables and the big picture, and other pop culture.
podcasts have kind of like transformed how non-critics and kind of just like the average joe talk about movies i'm not sure if it's spread farther than like the ringer circle itself you know like i'm not sure if people that don't consume this i don't think they're sitting there thinking oh wow like this is the most rewatchable scene but i think people that consume these podcasts like i was watching a movie the other day called rookie of the year which is like an old 90s uh baseball movie where like the kid gets uh like a special pitching arm and he um he like starts for the cubs and it's like the stupid like 90s baseball movie and i was immediately thinking like oh they must have done this on the rewatchables it's like right up their alley it's unfortunately like bill was too old by that point in like 93 it doesn't fit in that like 80s time time frame that he's obsessed with but it was one of those movies i was like wow i'm actually shocked they haven't done that and i've kind of tried to find like certain movies that they haven't done on the rewatchables and it's been a fun thing but but i do agree where there is this kind of like ringer aesthetics now that's pretty important to like film discourse just like Certain movies are like Sundance movies.
I do think now there's a kind of like certain ringer, certain rewatchables, certain Bill Simmons like movies that this aesthetic has definitely like grown a lot, definitely in the past year.
Yeah, I loved how he was saying that some of the things The Ringer does, they totally overrate Tom Cruise and movie stars in general.
And the line of he has gone from very underrated to very overrated was incredible.
He just said, hey, I'm happy that we were a part of that because... we love to bring heat to the forefront but yeah i loved what chuck was saying where he basically goes there's something changing about being a movie fan to where previously if you considered yourself a film person and this is probably what i thought until like and you said it recently i agree like until a couple months ago honestly until my my twitter feed is a lot more letterboxd reviews than i have in the past but chuck was saying that Previously, there was a specific type of movie and maybe using pretentious is the wrong word, but a certain type of movie that the film fan would like.
Whereas now, if you're a movie fan, if you're a film fan, I think the quote was you simply support the political idea of movies ideologically.
They love rewatching movies and it could be something like no country for old men, or it certainly could be number 16 limitless, which I love rewatching because it's a great hang.
Right.
So starting with the ringer and yeah, Gracie, you came on a year ago and you talked about how you were a big fan of the big picture and rewatchables and the you we've had an episode with imperial twilight he was the guest who had an entire rewatchables episode a couple episodes ago with rebecca talking about how she became a fan of bill simmons only after the ringers pop culture so the the kind of consensus on on this show now and on the ringer in general is that the right way to be viewing bill in 2026 is not just his podcast alone But the impact that the ringer is having pop culture wise, which we've been saying they're apexing.
And I think Chuck Klosterman specifically essentially saying that on the pod from a couple of weeks ago, like I said in the intro, kind of totally vindicates those takes.
But for people that haven't ordered refresh, I'll go through briefly what he said.
which essentially he was saying that the ringer through the rewatchables and the big pick, it's impacted how the average person thinks about movies.
I have a quote here that He said, you, as in Bill, have created a meaning to rewatching a movie that you're introducing rewatching movies for the content.
What were your thoughts when you heard that? Because both me and you, we listened to it.
We listened to a couple of times immediately after because it was so fascinating to hear Chuck talk about what we've kind of been probably thinking for a while.
Yeah, I think his point was like, not necessarily that like a podcast about movies is super like groundbreaking but I do agree with him that like the collective like lingo around the rewatchables and the big picture, and other pop culture.
podcasts have kind of like transformed how non-critics and kind of just like the average joe talk about movies i'm not sure if it's spread farther than like the ringer circle itself you know like i'm not sure if people that don't consume this i don't think they're sitting there thinking oh wow like this is the most rewatchable scene but i think people that consume these podcasts like i was watching a movie the other day called rookie of the year which is like an old 90s uh baseball movie where like the kid gets uh like a special pitching arm and he um he like starts for the cubs and it's like the stupid like 90s baseball movie and i was immediately thinking like oh they must have done this on the rewatchables it's like right up their alley it's unfortunately like bill was too old by that point in like 93 it doesn't fit in that like 80s time time frame that he's obsessed with but it was one of those movies i was like wow i'm actually shocked they haven't done that and i've kind of tried to find like certain movies that they haven't done on the rewatchables and it's been a fun thing but but i do agree where there is this kind of like ringer aesthetics now that's pretty important to like film discourse just like Certain movies are like Sundance movies.
I do think now there's a kind of like certain ringer, certain rewatchables, certain Bill Simmons like movies that this aesthetic has definitely like grown a lot, definitely in the past year.
Yeah, I loved how he was saying that some of the things The Ringer does, they totally overrate Tom Cruise and movie stars in general.
And the line of he has gone from very underrated to very overrated was incredible.
He just said, hey, I'm happy that we were a part of that because... we love to bring heat to the forefront but yeah i loved what chuck was saying where he basically goes there's something changing about being a movie fan to where previously if you considered yourself a film person and this is probably what i thought until like and you said it recently i agree like until a couple months ago honestly until my my twitter feed is a lot more letterboxd reviews than i have in the past but chuck was saying that Previously, there was a specific type of movie and maybe using pretentious is the wrong word, but a certain type of movie that the film fan would like.
Whereas now, if you're a movie fan, if you're a film fan, I think the quote was you simply support the political idea of movies ideologically.
They love rewatching movies and it could be something like no country for old men, or it certainly could be number 16 limitless, which I love rewatching because it's a great hang.
Right.
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