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The Prestige TV Podcast

‘Cape Fear’ Episode 9: Risk It for the Biscuit

Jul 24, 2026 · 51 min · 15 segments

Jo and Rob get down in the swamp for the penultimate episode of ‘Cape Fear.’ Intro (0:00) Mailbag check-in (2:08) What is going on with Anna? (5:47) Tom’s burner phone (9:17) Timeline (11:07) Cady family showdown (12:29) Max’s hospital stay (14:42) The biscuit incident (17:31) Crystal and Anna (23:31) Max’s play on Tom (32:00) Max and Noa (34:07) The boat (35:48) What’s left for Zack? (39:19) Finale hopes (40:31) The conspiracy board (41:52) Outro (46:57) Email us! [prestigetv@spotify.com](mailto:prestigetv@spotify.com) Follow us on [IG](https://www.instagram.com/prestigetvpod/) and [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@prestigetvpod?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc)! Subscribe to the [Ringer TV YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/@Ringer-TV) here for full episodes of The Prestige TV Podcast and so much more! Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Producers: Devon Renaldo and Kai Grady Studio Production: Jacob Cornett Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices](https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices)

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Show Open & Episode Preview0:46 – 1:22

Joanna RobinsonHost0:46

Hello, welcome back to Allegedly the Prestige TV podcast feed.

Joanna RobinsonHost0:50

I'm Jenna Robinson.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:51

I'm, allegedly, Rob Mahoney.

Joanna RobinsonHost0:52

And we're here today to talk to you about the penultimate episode of Cape Fear titled, The Scar.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:58

Mm-hmm.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:58

Which scar do you think?

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00

Uh, two prominent scars inside of this episode.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:02

At least, at least the physical ones.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03

What about emotional scars?

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Rob MahoneyHost1:04

We have many [laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05

Psychological scars.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:06

After this season.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:08

Narrative scars.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:09

Oh, yeah, they're, they're really trying to patch some things over and up and make it all work and-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:13

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost1:13

...

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Rob MahoneyHost1:14

I don't know, man.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:14

But I'm... as usual, I'm having fun with it.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:16

Okay, so we are gonna talk about episode 9, and then we are gonna go to the board and do our usual corkboard madness.

Soup, Haunted Houses & Old Scars1:23 – 2:33

Joanna RobinsonHost1:23

Gotta say, getting to see Amy's sort of like-

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Rob MahoneyHost1:26

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost1:26

... full murder wall, did you feel intimidated?

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Rob MahoneyHost1:28

It was a real hard look in the mirror, I'm not gonna lie.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:30

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:31

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost1:31

Just like, "What, what have we become?"

Joanna RobinsonHost1:33

Should we slosh some, like, tomato soup on our board before it's all, all said and done?

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Rob MahoneyHost1:36

For the finale-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:37

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost1:37

... we really should.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:38

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:38

We're...

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Rob MahoneyHost1:38

It's gonna stink to high heaven in here.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:40

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost1:40

If we're gonna leave that tomato soup board in here way too long, but I have many thoughts about Amy's board.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:44

I wanna reserve them when we get to that section, but, uh, it was harrowing, I think, just confronting the fact that we are but Amy.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:52

Have I ever told you about the time that I was in a haunted house in college?

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Rob MahoneyHost1:55

No.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:56

Okay, and they had me do...

Joanna RobinsonHost1:57

I was, I did Regan from The Exorcist.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:59

Oh, you were participating-

Joanna RobinsonHost2:01

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost2:01

...

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Rob MahoneyHost2:01

in the haunted house.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:02

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost2:02

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:02

And it was all, like, horror, like, tableaus from horror movies or whatever.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:05

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:05

So there were, like, people under the bed, like shaking the bed, and I was just, like, on the bed, s- screaming obscenities at people.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:10

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:10

Great time.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:10

But they did put pea soup on me, and it, and it was on me for, like, hours.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:16

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost2:16

Ugh.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:16

And that's one of the worst things that ever happened to me.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:18

Ugh.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:18

So I'm just gonna say, like, old soup should not sit around.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:21

That's a, that's a truism.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:23

I think that's a bold claim.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:24

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost2:25

But very accurate.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:26

Old soup-

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Rob MahoneyHost2:26

I can't disagree

Joanna RobinsonHost2:27

... should not sit around.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:27

Now, new soup, I'm fine with new soup.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:29

Yeah, old soup on your person, very bad.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:31

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:32

This is Cape Fear.

Listener Emails & Luke Parentage Theories2:34 – 4:56

Joanna RobinsonHost2:34

We didn't get a ton of emails, I should say, just because we've been, like, recording a little bit out of the loop so people are not quite keeping pace with us, I think.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:41

But we did get a lot of emails before this episode aired, obviously it actually hasn't even aired yet, uh, of our listeners saying, "Hey, we think consent king himself, Creepy Luke-

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Rob MahoneyHost2:51

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost2:52

... is AI slop's son."

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Rob MahoneyHost2:55

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:56

Now, inside this episode, we learn some things about Luke.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:01

But where are you on who Luke actually is?

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Rob MahoneyHost3:04

I think we got it laid out pretty clearly.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:06

I kinda m- am inclined to believe, on face, that he is Max and Crystal's son.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:12

Okay.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:12

Which would make him not AI slop's son Adam-

Joanna RobinsonHost3:14

Right

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Rob MahoneyHost3:14

...

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Rob MahoneyHost3:14

but AI slop's son Adam's half-brother/cousin.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:17

[laughs] Special.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:20

It's that kind of show.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:20

That's very House of the Dragon.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:22

But my question, I guess, is, I guess, is there any way in which he is AI slop's son? Because we got some interesting emails of people being like, "Wouldn't it be interesting for AI sl- the AI slop version of Adam-

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Rob MahoneyHost3:34

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost3:34

... to have been presented to us this whole time?"

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Rob MahoneyHost3:36

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:36

Just so that, like, we could meet, like-

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Rob MahoneyHost3:38

A slightly different one

Joanna RobinsonHost3:39

... kinda left in the oven too long, uh-

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Rob MahoneyHost3:41

Wow

Joanna RobinsonHost3:42

... version.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:42

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost3:42

He's a little, a little melty?

Joanna RobinsonHost3:43

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:44

I mean, he has a similar kinda wavy hair.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:46

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:46

There's no doubt.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:47

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:47

But that could just be half-brotherly/cousinly wavy hair.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:50

True.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:51

True, true, true.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:51

I, I do have that question, though, about the scar, right? It, it's the tell of this episode that, oh, you s- you know, Anna saw this baby with the scar.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:57

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:57

Then sees Luke with the scar.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:58

One to one, this is the baby.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:01

But also we don't really get any explanation as the meaning of that scar or where it came from.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:05

Right.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:05

Could it have been that he was pulled out of his dying mother's womb?

Joanna RobinsonHost4:09

Ripped untimely from the womb-

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Rob MahoneyHost4:11

That's what I'm saying

Joanna RobinsonHost4:11

... as Shakespeare might say? Wow.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:13

And maybe that scar came from the procedure that was required to save his life? I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:18

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:18

So would it be interesting if he is AI slop's son?

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Rob MahoneyHost4:21

Everything is interesting on this show.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:23

Would it be, would it, like, sort of justify the existence of AI slop's son if, like, the whole reason AI slop's son has been there is to sort of, so that they could spring this other son on us?

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Rob MahoneyHost4:32

It's a trick question.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:33

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost4:33

There is no justification for AI slop.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:35

I see what you're doing.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:36

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost4:36

And you're trying to paint me into a corner here as being pro-AI on this podcast, and I won't fall for it.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:41

Okay, fair enough.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:42

Someday I'll get you.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:42

Um-

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Rob MahoneyHost4:43

I am pro-Luke, though, who is pro-consent, so you know, by the transitive property?

Joanna RobinsonHost4:48

He pistol whips the shit out of Ron Perlman in this episode.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:51

I thought he was very sweet.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:52

And don't pretend Ron Perlman didn't have it coming.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:54

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:54

[laughs] Did you like this episode of television, Rob Mahoney?

Episode Reactions & Anna’s Detective Choices4:57 – 12:49

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Rob MahoneyHost4:57

I, I really don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:57

Huh.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:58

This felt messier than most, despite the fact that in some ways it was more focused than most.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:04

You know, we're kind of on very straight plot lines for these respective characters.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:08

Some of them are kind of boxed in in prison, some of them are boxed in until they escape from psychiatric care.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:13

Oh, you got exactly what you wanted.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:15

I kinda did, but kinda didn't.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:16

Which is Zach's escape.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:17

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost5:18

[laughs] Zach's escape I did want.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:19

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:20

I just was hoping Nevaeh and Natalie would have a little bit more of a dance, and they didn't.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:26

They, they-

Joanna RobinsonHost5:26

Oh, they danced

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Rob MahoneyHost5:27

...

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Rob MahoneyHost5:27

they danced, but then they quickly separated, you know?

Joanna RobinsonHost5:29

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:29

The, the hall monitor came in, or the, uh, what's, chaperone.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:32

The chaperone came and was like, "No, please, please separate.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:35

Go to your respective walls."

Joanna RobinsonHost5:36

Right, right.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:36

"And you, by the way-"

Joanna RobinsonHost5:37

Leave room for Jesus

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Rob MahoneyHost5:38

... "you're out on bail."

Joanna RobinsonHost5:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:39

I just wanted, why couldn't we get two episodes of them kind of figuring each other out, manipulating each other?

Joanna RobinsonHost5:45

Remember that season of Justified where Ava was just in prison the whole time?

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Rob MahoneyHost5:48

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:48

It was bad.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:49

So maybe we don't want that.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:50

I didn't ask for a season, I asked for two episodes.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:52

Okay, fair enough.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:52

And instead of five minutes in prison.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:54

I really liked this episode.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:56

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:56

Because it was-

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Rob MahoneyHost5:57

Tell me

Joanna RobinsonHost5:57

... a huge Juliette Lewis showcase.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:59

That part is.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:59

And she's just, like, fantastic-

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Rob MahoneyHost6:01

She's really great

Joanna RobinsonHost6:01

...

Joanna RobinsonHost6:01

in this episode, uh, and in the show in general.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:04

She's really wonderful To the, to the point where I found myself coming to Crystal's defense a lot.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:10

Oh, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost6:10

Anna's whole energy here.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:11

Has- hashtag team Crystal.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:13

What is going on with Anna? Just coming out of the gate insulting her, later calling her trash, like calling her crazy to her face.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:20

Well, she's trying to provoke her when she calls her trash.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:23

Kind of.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:23

She's trying to provoke information out of her.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:25

No, definitely.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:26

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost6:26

It's a, it's an interrogation tactic.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:28

And also, Crystal, like took her gun from her.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:32

They just, like...

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Rob MahoneyHost6:33

I, I was thrown off from the very beginning-

Joanna RobinsonHost6:36

Team Crystal

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Rob MahoneyHost6:36

... with the whole like...

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Rob MahoneyHost6:37

I'm, I am team Crystal.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:38

There's really no doubt about it.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:40

Team Anna is a, a tough team to be on at this stage.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:43

[laughs] Uh, if you wanna get into the, like too dumb to live category, I think it's Anna all the way down.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:48

Every decision she makes in this episode is, as usual, pretty baffling.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:52

I don't know.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:53

No?

Joanna RobinsonHost6:53

I'm on the opposite side of this where like...

Joanna RobinsonHost6:56

Oh, and by the way, uh, we heard from, uh, our, our boss, Bill Simmons.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:00

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:00

Guess what? He's in on Amy Adams on this show.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:03

This is the one that got him.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:04

This is what brought him back around.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:05

He's like-

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Rob MahoneyHost7:05

Famous Amy Adams skeptic Bill Simmons

Joanna RobinsonHost7:07

... he's like, "She's really settled into something here in the back half of Cape Fear."

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Rob MahoneyHost7:10

And here I think this is I, not my favorite Amy Adams-

Joanna RobinsonHost7:14

No

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Rob MahoneyHost7:14

... performance overall.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:15

No, no, no. Um, you love Nocturnal Animals.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:17

Um-

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Rob MahoneyHost7:17

Okay, first of all, if you show me Amy Adams in any context and then a dark highway road as we do to open this episode and you expect me not to think of Nocturnal Animals, I don't know who you're talking to.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:28

I was kinda thinking about Anna in this episode as almost like a, a drunken master-esque, like she needed to be trashed in order to like...

Joanna RobinsonHost7:35

She gets a lot of good detective work done, does she not?

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Rob MahoneyHost7:38

First of all, drunken master is wild [laughs] for off the wagon Anna.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:45

But maybe she should be drunk and she's better at it when she's drunk.

R

Rob MahoneyHost7:49

She's definitely a little looser.

R

Rob MahoneyHost7:50

I just, again, her whole, the whole energy-

Joanna RobinsonHost7:53

She's innovating

R

Rob MahoneyHost7:53

... of let the devil in the door Anna, I am trying to reconcile and trying to understand.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:58

I don't know how I feel about it.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:59

It doesn't seem like a great idea, but does she get away? Yes.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:02

She-

Joanna RobinsonHost8:02

Does she get, uh, does she find a USB in a haystack? She does.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:05

But then she took it into the water.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:07

Well, I, I don't-

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Rob MahoneyHost8:09

She soaked that drive.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:10

I... [laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost8:11

Don't soak your drives unless you intend to destroy them.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:14

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:14

I don't know about the structural integrity of that particular USB drive, you know? But I just think it was so funny that she's like, "Huh, I'm looking in this sea of boxes.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:22

I'm...

Joanna RobinsonHost8:22

Oh, there it is."

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Rob MahoneyHost8:23

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:23

"The USB drive.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:24

I found it."

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Rob MahoneyHost8:25

See, I think she took advantage-

Joanna RobinsonHost8:26

And it's definitely the only USB drive that's down there, and it definitely has exactly what I want on it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost8:30

Again, yet a missed opportunity though.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:32

Like, show us some other weird stuff in that box, you know? I wanna know what's in there other than like some dusty old folders and a USB drive.

R

Rob MahoneyHost8:38

There's gotta be something strange in there.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:40

I just think that, like, when she and Crystal go to Amy's house-

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Rob MahoneyHost8:43

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost8:43

... where Amy died, and Crystal's like, "Um, should we go in there? I don't know." And then Crystal's looking in a very squirrely fashion at the box and A- and Anna's like, "Oh, that's the bo-" Like, I actually think Anna's doing a lot of great work in this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:57

And when Crystal's like, "Go down into the hold, that's where you'll find what you're looking for," and she's like, "You go down there." Like, I actually think-

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Rob MahoneyHost9:03

That one, yes

Joanna RobinsonHost9:03

...

Joanna RobinsonHost9:03

Anna is smarter than usual in this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:06

That point I can't argue.

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Rob MahoneyHost9:07

She does not go into the hold unprovoked.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:09

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:10

I think her whole plan as I understand it is-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:12

She also escapes with just, like, some cleaning spray.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:15

Is that what that is?

Joanna RobinsonHost9:16

I think so.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:16

Some kind of aerosol.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:17

I think it's gotta be more intense than cleaning spray.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:19

Like roach killer.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:20

Like rust remover-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:22

Ooh

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Rob MahoneyHost9:22

... from the boat engine or something like that.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:24

Tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:24

Tough.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:24

Look, she gets out of the pickle that she finds herself in.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:27

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost9:28

I just think maybe you don't get in the pickle if your plan is more elaborate than show up with gun, talk to Crystal, yada, yada, yada, save your family.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:36

I think she got a lot of good information.

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:38

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost9:38

And, and what, what good did Tom do in this episode from his jail cell?

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:42

Oh, not a lot.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:43

He, he, he burnt that Nokia burner phone all the way down to 0% battery making a lot of phone calls.

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Rob MahoneyHost9:48

It, it didn't have a lot.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:49

Here's my question.

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Rob MahoneyHost9:50

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:51

Rob, if you were to find yourself in a prison cell-

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Rob MahoneyHost9:53

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost9:53

... and the demonic presence that's been haunting you and your family smuggles in a burner phone to taunt you-

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:00

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost10:00

... a Nokia.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:01

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:02

And then you then ha- were like, "Oh, I'm gonna use this to make a bunch of phone calls."

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:06

Right.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:07

W- who would you be able to call? Your w- whose number-

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Rob MahoneyHost10:11

Oh, whose number would I know?

Joanna RobinsonHost10:12

Do you know?

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Rob MahoneyHost10:12

I would only know, like, four relevant numbers.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:14

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:14

Uh, my parents' numbers-

Joanna RobinsonHost10:15

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:16

... my wife's number-

Joanna RobinsonHost10:16

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:16

... my brother's number.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:17

That is it.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:18

That's it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:18

So I would spend the last 5% just playing Snake.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:21

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:21

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:21

You know? Like, let's, let's use our time wisely.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:24

How do you think Nokia feels about being sort of like the official burner phone, uh, at this point?

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:28

The official burner phone of-

Joanna RobinsonHost10:29

They used, they went from the top, they were like, "Everyone has-

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:32

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost10:32

...

Joanna RobinsonHost10:32

Nokia," to now it's only smuggled into jail cells.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:35

But in this case, of the wrongfully accused.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:37

True.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:38

But also committing, also considering suicide at least on some level.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:41

I was just watching him call, like, the psychiatric clinic-

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Rob MahoneyHost10:44

How did he know?

Joanna RobinsonHost10:45

...

Joanna RobinsonHost10:45

Noah.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:45

He's just calling everyone.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:46

I was like, "You know everyone's number?"

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Rob MahoneyHost10:48

Did he...

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Rob MahoneyHost10:49

Can you call the operator and they could connect you?

Joanna RobinsonHost10:51

Does four, does 411 work in prison probably?

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Rob MahoneyHost10:52

Does it still work period? I genuinely don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:56

Can't get internet on that phone.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:57

What a world we live in.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:58

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:58

Okay, let's go back to where, um, I liked this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:02

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:02

Anna shows up at Bluff's Point.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:05

The boat's not there.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:07

She's wearing a great suede jacket.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:09

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:10

I'm considering putting the suede jacket on the board.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:11

It is incredibly good piece of wardrobe.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:13

What, what plot relevance do you think it'll have? Will it come back?

Joanna RobinsonHost11:16

Well, here's what I'll say.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:17

She's wearing the blue and we love to track blue on this show.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:19

Of course.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:19

She's wearing the blue, and then, like, the whole Cady family is wearing a lot of blue, but she's got this sort of, like, brown on top of it.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:26

What does that mean? I don't know, but it, it means something 'cause it's Cape Fear.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:31

Um, I have a question for you on the timeline.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:34

Please.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:34

She leaves dead of night.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:36

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:37

She arrives there, seems like sunrise to me when she gets there, right?

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:41

I think we established that it would ta- it was taking, like, roughly four hours drive time from Savannah to Cape Fear.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:46

But it was, it was either sunrise or sunset, so it's sunrise, right?

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:49

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:49

Gotta be.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:51

Rosy fingered dawn, uh-

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:52

As it's known

Joanna RobinsonHost11:53

... as Homer would say.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:54

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:55

Uh, then she goes to the Cady household, and we'll talk about that in a second, and then she goes to a bar.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:00

What time did she go to that bar?

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:02

Oh, that bar is, like, 10:00 AM.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:04

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:04

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:04

I actually think it's, like, 9:00 AM.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:07

9?

Joanna RobinsonHost12:07

You know? It did say open seven days a week.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:09

It did.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:09

did.I was hoping to see the hours posted, 'cause I'm like, "Is this a 24/7 bar?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:14

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:14

'Cause she went...

Joanna RobinsonHost12:15

That was an early morning bar stop for her.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:17

Well, it's clearly, like, kind of a biker bar situation.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:19

Sure.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:20

So, open at 7:00 AM, open 24 hours, I would believe it.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:23

She drinks there all day because she wakes up the next morning, I believe, on Crystal's boat.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:29

It's morning when she-

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:31

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost12:31

... wakes up on Crystal's boat.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:32

Well, she drinks for an amount of time that would then knock her out for however much time would-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:36

Right

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:36

... require to wake up the next morning.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:38

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:38

Just impressive stuff-

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:38

So 24 hours-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:39

... from the drunken master.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:40

Yeah, 24 hours combination, drinking, blacking out, being hauled to Crystal's boat-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:44

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:44

... or walking there and stumbling there of her own volition-ish-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:47

Right

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:47

... uh, and then waking up there.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:49

That's a busy day.

Cady Household & Max’s End-Game Motives12:50 – 17:55

Joanna RobinsonHost12:50

She goes to the, um, the Cady household.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:55

She sees Consent King Luke.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:56

Yep.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:58

Bobby Cady, and good old Hester.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:03

How'd you feel about Hester in this episode?

Joanna RobinsonHost13:05

Um, how do you feel about her little Crystal baby doll that she seems like she breastfeeds? How do you feel about that?

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:10

She sure does.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:11

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:12

Uh, I feel like I've seen a lot from kooky side characters in these sorts of stories.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:17

Sure.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:17

You meet the relative, the friend, the, like, source of information.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:22

They speak in riddles.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:23

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:23

They're talking backwards.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:24

They're maybe revealing a little too much at times where they would, or other people would prefer they not.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:28

I've seen a lot from those characters in many different texts.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:30

I have never seen one breastfeed a doll a single time.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:34

And so I think we have no choice but to salute Hester for innovation in this space.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:38

And Cape Fear for innovating in the space-

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:40

How on-

Joanna RobinsonHost13:41

... of prestige television.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:42

Have you ever seen that before?

Joanna RobinsonHost13:44

Not on television.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:46

Um, not at all.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:47

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:47

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost13:47

[laughs] Not at all.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:49

No, no. Um, baby dolls in general-

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:53

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost13:54

... creepy.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:55

A baby doll that you think is your daughter, creepier.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:58

Charming?

Joanna RobinsonHost14:00

Oh, it goes to charming and then back around to creepy once you start breastfeeding it?

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:03

I think so.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:04

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:04

That's the trajectory.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:05

Were you never a doll child?

Joanna RobinsonHost14:08

I, I had, like, an army of Barbies.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:11

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:12

But not, like, a baby.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:13

Baby dolls-

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:13

The baby dolls is a very specific thing

Joanna RobinsonHost14:14

... are just, like, forever haunted to me.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:16

And they, like, speaking of innovation, they're always creating very strange baby dolls that, like, will-

Joanna RobinsonHost14:21

Wet themselves

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:22

... burp or pee-

Joanna RobinsonHost14:23

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:23

... or consume food.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:24

It's like, we don't need them that true to life, you know? I-

Joanna RobinsonHost14:26

No, absolutely not

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:27

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:27

I think that makes them only creepier.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:29

We're really entering into an uncanny valley of baby dolling, and I'm here to put a stop to it.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:33

I actually don't know what the recent innovation in baby dolling has been because, like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:36

Yes, you do.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:36

No, because they were, like, wetting themselves in the '90s, so what are they doing now?

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:40

They are, like, weird AI sentient machines.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:43

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:43

Like Furbies, but babies?

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:45

Worse.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:46

Tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:46

[laughs] Really tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:48

Um, Luke, you know, intercedes so that Anna can leave.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:51

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:52

Again, once again, Consent King Luke just being like, "You go your way.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:57

We'll be fine." How did you feel about that?

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:58

De-escalating.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:58

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:59

I, I, I think he's the-

Joanna RobinsonHost15:00

Feels like a hero to you?

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:01

He is the coolest head in this story up until the moment he starts pistol whipping people.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:06

And as you said, uh, I might pistol whip Ron Perlman as well.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:09

Max is in the hospital.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:10

He's on a drip.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:11

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:12

We still have questions about whether or not Zach's taking his meds, but Max is on his meds in this moment, and he sees the AI slop son and, and his ghost wife-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:19

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost15:19

... and says, "I have just a few things to do," and then-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:20

Our lady of bangs

Joanna RobinsonHost15:21

... "And then I can join you?" Is that what he says?

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:24

That's, that's the plan.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:24

So, like, does he plan to die, is that the idea?

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:26

I think so.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:26

Oh, okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:27

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:27

He needs to torment the Bowdens a little more.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:29

And then he wants to die.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:30

Agitate Tom, maybe kill one of Anna's kids, make her feel the pain that he felt.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:35

I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:37

I-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:37

At this point, it's just an either/or.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:38

Both of those kids-

Joanna RobinsonHost15:39

Taunt Tom into killing himself.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:41

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:41

Murder both the children.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:44

Then kill Anna once she has registered all of that, and then die.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:47

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:47

That's the to-do list.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:48

No, no, he doesn't...

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:48

I don't think he wants to kill Anna.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:50

Oh, live with, live with the suffering.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:51

Live with the guilt-

Joanna RobinsonHost15:52

See the pain

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:52

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:52

the suffering, the responsibility-

Joanna RobinsonHost15:54

Hmm

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:54

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:54

the torment of not being able to do anything to improve her circumstances.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:57

I think that's all part of the plan.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:58

Meanwhile, he's peacing out to hang out with AI slop son and his, his ba-banged wife.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:03

[laughs] Ba-banged.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:05

Speaking of AI slop son, Zach is still seeing him.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:07

How do you feel about this?

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:09

I-

Joanna RobinsonHost16:09

Is Zach on his meds, off his meds? What is he doing?

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:11

I, [laughs] everything with Zach is very confusing.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:13

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:14

I think he is off his meds, or at least they're not working.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:17

It's not the right prescrip- It's not the right dosage, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost16:19

Hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:19

Crystal's fine.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:21

She's clearly quite adjusted.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:22

She's doing fine.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:23

She's doing better than she's ever done before.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:25

She grew up in a crate.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:26

She was then abused, presumably by Max.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:29

Uh-huh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:29

And now she's at least independent.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:31

She's on her own.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:31

She's trying to live a life on her little houseboat.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:33

Grew up in a crate? [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:35

I mean, didn't she?

Joanna RobinsonHost16:37

I think it had some crate time sometimes.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:39

I think that's too much.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:40

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:41

I would argue, and you may disagree, Jo-

Joanna RobinsonHost16:43

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:43

... any crate time is too much crate time for a child.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:45

That depends on the child, I think.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:46

Um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:46

It probably does.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:47

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:48

Do you think Zach himself broke himself out, or do you think Max broke him, broke him out?

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:52

I do think he broke himself out.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:54

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:54

How are you feeling about that?

Joanna RobinsonHost16:55

Where is he going?

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:56

Fuck if I know on that, but-

Joanna RobinsonHost16:57

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:58

He, he wants to go fishing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:00

He, uh, he does wanna go fishing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:01

Maybe he'll just go to Cape Fear on his own.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:03

Oh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:03

Honestly, a, an end of this season in which all the characters independently decide to go to Cape Fear River, I would support it.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:11

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:11

But I just think Max is way too busy.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:14

Like, he's trying to track down Anna.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:15

That's his prime concern.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:16

Well, he's sitting outside of the hospital.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:19

Is it?

Joanna RobinsonHost17:20

At one point when, when he's talking to Tom, and he's like, "And where's Zach?" He's three windows over on the third floor-

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:27

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost17:27

... of the ins-

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:27

Up the second stai-

Joanna RobinsonHost17:28

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:28

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:28

the finger scampering up the stairs.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:30

Yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:30

Tremendous work.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:31

So he knows exactly where is...

Joanna RobinsonHost17:32

I think he, I thought he was, like, sitting outside of the institution when he was talking to Tom on the phone.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:37

He absolutely knows where Zach is supposed to be.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:40

I don't know if that was outside the building or not.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:41

I kinda took it as he's taking it as a given that Natalie's over here locked up.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:46

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:46

Zach is over here kinda locked up.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:48

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:48

Let me track down Anna with singular focus while I can, and Tom, we're just gonna taunt him basically-

Joanna RobinsonHost17:53

Right

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:53

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:53

in the meantime.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:55

Okay.

Prison Plot: Biscuits, Burners & Mayo Debates17:55 – 23:55

Joanna RobinsonHost17:55

Speaking of Natalie and Nevaeh in prison-

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:57

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost17:57

... do you wanna talk about the biscuit incident?

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:59

I mean, they are the currency in prison, are they not?

Joanna RobinsonHost18:01

I don't know, but the, the so- the soy sauce, the Kikkoman soy sauce.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:04

Okay, that's real.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:06

I, I think a lot of-

Joanna RobinsonHost18:06

Tell, tell me more.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:07

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost18:07

You are so excited about that.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:09

If not in prison, I just think a lot of people out there would be very surprised to learn that the secret sauce of their favorite restaurant- Or the, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost18:17

It's Kikkoman

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:18

... uh, choice proprietary aioli is really just Kikkoman soy sauce and mayo mixed together with, like, lemon juice.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:25

Um, aioli often has soy sauce in it?

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:28

It can.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:29

Oh, okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:29

I mean, aioli's just any variation of mayonnaise.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:31

Well, I know.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:32

I, yes, okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:33

I just think when I think of, like, aioli-

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:36

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost18:36

...

Joanna RobinsonHost18:36

I think of just, like, lemon plus mayo.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:39

But-

Joanna RobinsonHost18:39

Is that incl- in- incredibly white of me?

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:41

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost18:41

How Caucasian of me.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:42

It is, it is a little bit.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:44

Here's the thing.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:44

Quite white.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:45

Mayonnaise, never a condiment on its own, right? Like, it needs help.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:49

It needs a lot of help to become aioli, to become a proper, like, something you would actually use or dip.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:55

What?

Joanna RobinsonHost18:56

Like, a tuna salad, you wouldn't just put mayo in a tuna salad?

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:59

Jo, what?

Joanna RobinsonHost19:00

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:01

You're just putting just tuna and mayo and calling it good?

Joanna RobinsonHost19:04

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:05

Have...

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:05

No.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:06

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:06

No.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:07

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:08

I, you're sounding a lot like Nevaeh with her pouches-

Joanna RobinsonHost19:10

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:10

... of tuna right now, and I'm very concerned for you.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:12

Do you think that's a fish-based crime if I just put tuna and mayo together?

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:15

I think all-

Joanna RobinsonHost19:15

I just don't like relish, so, like, a lot of people put, like, relish or celery or whatever, and I just don't like that in tuna salad, so I do just enjoy tuna and mayo together on a sandwich.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:23

I think the first fish-based crime is tuna salad, and the second fish-based crime is whatever you're doing with tuna salad.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:28

Okay, so you're just, like, not worth talking.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:30

What about egg salad?

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:32

Yeah, but it has mustard in it.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:33

It does.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:33

It has dill, and it has other things.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:35

You're right.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:36

You're right.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:38

Um, I was proud of Natalie in this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:40

For sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:40

Okay? She refused to give up the biscuit, as it were.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:45

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:45

Well, literally, but not metaphorically.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:47

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:47

Then gave up the biscuit, strategically gave up the biscuit-

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:50

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost19:50

...

Joanna RobinsonHost19:50

when she needed to, with a plan, and this is all we've been asking for from the Bones is, like, a fucking plan.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:55

A little foresight.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:56

Yeah, and she, she knew about the burner.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:59

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:00

I have some tips for Nevaeh.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:02

If you wanna secretly have a burner cellphone conversation-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:05

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost20:05

... just standing facing the corner of the open yard is not how I would do it personally.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:09

What do you think?

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:09

With your h- hand to the phone-

Joanna RobinsonHost20:11

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:11

... to your ear.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:12

Yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:13

Not the most subtle.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:13

No, no, no.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:14

It doesn't surprise me that the guards are asleep at the wheel at-

Joanna RobinsonHost20:17

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:17

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:17

this particular facility, but some other inmate is gonna see you, even if it's not Natalie.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:21

Right.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:21

And then Natalie, so gets into the room first, finds the burner-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:25

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost20:25

...

Joanna RobinsonHost20:25

in the, like, red book that it's sitting there in.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:28

Do you know what it was?

Joanna RobinsonHost20:29

Not the Bible, but what was it?

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:31

It's not the Bible.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:31

Fish-based crimes?

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:32

Hilariously, it is a copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:36

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:36

Chef's kiss.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:37

Come on.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:37

This show.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:38

That's what I'm saying.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:39

This show.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:39

Every time I'm, like, mildly annoyed by something, I'm like-

Joanna RobinsonHost20:41

They, they, they pull you back in

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:42

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:42

Goddammit.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:42

They really do.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:43

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:44

Gives her the biscuit, and then gets, like, just clumsily leads Nevaeh into some confession time.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:51

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:51

Really, I felt really disappointed in Nevaeh, uh-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:55

Wow

Joanna RobinsonHost20:56

...

Joanna RobinsonHost20:56

in her-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:56

For wanting human connection?

Joanna RobinsonHost20:57

In her level of intelligence in this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:00

Um, do you think she's more easily accessible because she's, like, doesn't have access to the scopolamine, so she's, like, less under the thrall? What do you think?

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:12

I think she's probably hit a bit of a end point in terms of Max's natural influence.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:18

Like, what he can convince her out of the love of his fatherly heart.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:21

You know, I'm starting to think he's maybe not a good dad.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:23

Oh, okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:24

And I think she may be onto that.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:25

But he said, "I love you so much," and he sounded like he meant it, you know?

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:28

It has to be his, like, I say this not out of hyperbole, but Max Catey's least convincing performance on record what he is saying to Nevaeh over the phone and the, like, sleepy, unimpressed way in which he does it.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:39

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:39

Like, doesn't even think-

Joanna RobinsonHost21:40

I love you so much

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:40

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:40

he needs to work at it anymore.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:42

Yeah, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:42

Oh, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:42

I mean, deeply into Tommy Wiseau territory-

Joanna RobinsonHost21:44

Uh-huh

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:44

... on that phone call.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:44

Uh-huh.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:45

Uh-huh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:46

Uh, and so I think it is just, like, she was hoping to have some kind of actual connection with her father by now.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:52

It has not come to pass.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:53

He clearly-

Joanna RobinsonHost21:54

So she's like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:54

... does not give a shit

Joanna RobinsonHost21:54

...

Joanna RobinsonHost21:54

I guess I'll fuck my sister instead.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:56

As-

Joanna RobinsonHost21:57

Cape fear rules.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:57

Well, she doesn't know, does she?

Joanna RobinsonHost22:00

They had a conversation about it.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:01

"I didn't get you pregnant, did I?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:03

Oh, you're right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:03

They actually did, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:04

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:04

They, they put the incest right out on the table, and neither one of them was deterred by it whatsoever.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:09

Well, I think Natalie at least had, like, an end game here.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:13

She had end game.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:13

I'll fuck my sister to get this recording.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:16

She didn't stop for a second.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:18

There was no moment of hesitation.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:20

[laughs] Like-

Joanna RobinsonHost22:21

I barreled straight into the incest.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:23

I just...

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:23

Even if you are gonna manipulate sexually your sibling, I would think a lot of people would have just, like, a little gag reflex moment.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:30

Natalie is built different.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:32

Prison changes you.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:33

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:34

[laughs] It, it changes you, but they both found a prison girlfriend real fast.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:37

Like, just, just stumbling into cliches, these two.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:40

Did you feel for Nevaeh when, when Natalie got out and Noah was there to pick her up?

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:44

I actually, I would say I felt for Nevaeh on the call, and sh- some of it is, like, the performance-

Joanna RobinsonHost22:49

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:50

... and where this character is are just, like, so, like, for lack of a...

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:53

Like, I s- say it's empathetic, like, pitiful.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:54

Like, it's just-

Joanna RobinsonHost22:55

Mm

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:55

... such a sad moment for this character-

Joanna RobinsonHost22:57

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:57

... who has gone to these incredible lengths, and she clearly wants to stop short of actual murder, but is being, like, egged on ever so lightly by her dad, who does not care about her.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:07

I think what's interesting is, like, earlier in the season, you and I had thought Nevaeh was someone who was, like, quite eager to murder.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:12

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:12

She just, like, had that knife out just, like, re- like, seemed like she really wanted to murder.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:16

So is it that she objects to murder in general, or is it that she objects to murdering Natalie, her sister who she's come to care for in a biscuit way?

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:23

Yeah, see, I, at first I was kinda wondering is Nevaeh reverse playing Natalie in this kind of encounter-

Joanna RobinsonHost23:30

Mm

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:30

... moment.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:30

Like, it, are they both trying to get closer to each other spy versus spy style?

Joanna RobinsonHost23:33

A deadly tango.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:34

This is what I was thinking.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:35

Uh-huh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:36

But I think everything we see after the fact in the, you know, post-prison nut clarity is Nevaeh at her most vulnerable that she's been all season.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:45

[laughs] Is that not a thing? [laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost23:46

You heard, you heard me say, "In a biscuit way," and you were like, "I gotta one-up her with post-prison nut clarity." [laughs] You're very special.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:54

Thank you.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:55

All right.

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Crystal vs. Anna Showdown & Tomato-Soup Murder Board24:23 – 31:07

Joanna RobinsonHost24:23

Thursday.Let's go back to Crystal and Anna.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:29

I love this dynamic.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:30

Crystal fucking hates Anna.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:31

Okay, so, so what we learn about Crystal, which I, I don't think was incredibly clear before this episode, or entirely clear, is that, uh, well, she killed Melissa.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:42

That's interesting information.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:43

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:44

Um, what role did she have in all of the Amy stuff?

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:47

Mm.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:47

I'm, I actually don't feel like we know that full story, but she was friends with Amy.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:52

Did she serve Amy up in some way to Max, um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:55

Could have been, or at least been his kind of boots on the ground there.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:57

But no matter what, between, like, Amy and Melissa...

Joanna RobinsonHost25:00

You know, 'cause earlier in the season we, we heard her say, like, "I warned them about him."

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:07

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:08

Uh, and I took that to mean, like, he fucked me up so I don't, uh, as a girl's girl, I don't want any other woman to go through that.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:15

That does not seem to be what's going on with-

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:16

No

Joanna RobinsonHost25:16

...

Joanna RobinsonHost25:16

Crystal here.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:17

Crystal is like, "He's mine.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:19

Back off, ladies."

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:19

I'm warning you.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:21

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:21

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:21

Back off, ladies.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:23

They didn't seem to take the advice.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:25

Called Anna princess.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:26

Okay, here's, here's one of the worst writing in this episode I think.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:29

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:29

Which is, like, "Do you learn that from your sorority sisters?" And then Anna goes, "Maybe I taught their boyfriends, and their boyfriends taught them."

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:37

This is the weird energy I was talking about.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:39

It's like, what is this?

Joanna RobinsonHost25:40

What is that?

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:41

Can I-

Joanna RobinsonHost25:42

That I blame on writing more than anything else.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:43

Can I single out some of the best writing in this episode?

Joanna RobinsonHost25:45

Oh, please.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:46

I mean, we moved on maybe too quickly from Nevaeh and Natalie, but, "He told me to break into your house and spike the tea with acid and to seduce your brother and make him bite off his own toe." I just sometimes have to sit back and appreciate that this is a line from an actual show we are watching and covering in great detail, and that's just a factual statement that Nevaeh made.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:04

Sometimes, sometimes when someone's recording you, you need to get very explicit and, and plainspoken about-

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:08

As you should

Joanna RobinsonHost26:08

...

Joanna RobinsonHost26:08

the crimes that you committed.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:09

But also, why the toe? Like, what was the point of specifically this kid needs to bite off his own toe?

Joanna RobinsonHost26:14

We've been talking about that toe all season.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:16

It is such, like, a horrifying thing to have happen.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:18

Oh, for sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:19

I think it's a, I think it's a great idea that, that Max had.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:21

I just thought maybe it was more incidental.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:23

Let's, let's maim them.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:24

Let's maim the trials.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:25

I guess.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:25

But just, like, specifically he needs to think of a baby carrot and bite off his own toe.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:30

Think of a baby carrot at gmail.com for all of your Cape Fear questions-

Joanna RobinsonHost26:33

Uh-huh

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:33

... concerns, theories.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:34

Also, if you're with me on the tuna salad front, it really doesn't need much more than tuna and mayo, honestly.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:38

I just can't support it.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:39

And then, like, a really nice piece of toasted, like, wheaty, oaty bread.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:43

That's it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:44

No, thank you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:44

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost26:44

That's the, that's the energy.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:46

Um, I would say there's a third confirmation in this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:49

It's, one, that Crystal is Luke's mom at minimum, and that probably Max is his dad.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:55

Two, that-

Joanna RobinsonHost26:55

I think Max is his dad definitely.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:58

But you don't think...

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:59

You think Crystal might not be his mom?

Joanna RobinsonHost27:00

Again, what about this Melissa theory?

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:03

Maybe that's a half confirmation.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:05

But that Crystal did kill Melissa.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:09

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:09

We feel confident about that.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:11

Y- she seemed like she can best do it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:13

It seemed, it seemed to be everything but at least.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:15

She didn't deserve that kind of life.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:16

And third, that Crystal, as we suggested in previous episodes, is the Lila from the story that Max has been telling earlier in the season.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:22

Yeah, Max got really inventive-

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:24

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost27:24

... and was like, "Instead of Delilah, I'll just-

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:25

I'm gonna go Lila

Joanna RobinsonHost27:26

... call her Lila." Good sleuthing work from Anna.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:30

I don't know about that.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:31

Um, I was-

Joanna RobinsonHost27:31

She's rifling around.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:32

Like, once again, Crystal loves to keep all of her stuff in just, like, a, a sh- a little slop pile on, on a surface, right?

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:39

We have all of-

Joanna RobinsonHost27:39

Photos.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:40

We have our stuff on a slop board.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:42

Are we any better?

Joanna RobinsonHost27:43

Absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:44

There are categories.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:46

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost27:46

There are push pins.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:48

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:48

And there's string.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:50

This is just merely slopped onto the table, and Anna sort of rifles through-

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:56

She does

Joanna RobinsonHost27:56

... and finds exactly the piece of information she needs.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:58

Ah, Delilah.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:59

She must be Lila.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:00

I have this written down.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:01

Tell me if this is anything.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:02

I think, I think you're really underestimating Anna in this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:05

Am I?

Joanna RobinsonHost28:05

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:06

This is what I have written down.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:07

"Hey there, Delilah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:08

What's it like in Cape Fear city? Anna's snooping in your boat, and now she knows you're Crystal Katie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:13

Yes, it's true." Is that anything? [laughs] Is that a thing? [laughs] Joe, you, you gotta give me something.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:24

What you, what you got? Are you gonna finish it out?

Joanna RobinsonHost28:26

Can I just say that, like, um, that came on when I was in the Sprouts the other day.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:31

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:31

That ca- and then it, it's such, like, grocery store music now, Hey There Delilah.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:36

And I was just like, like, Pavlovian, like, muttering the lyrics to myself-

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:42

It's all you can do

Joanna RobinsonHost28:42

... as I was in the produce section.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:43

Like, I couldn't help myself.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:45

I was mesmerized.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:46

But I was like, oh, this is what it's like to, like, when we were younger and walked around a grocery store and it was just music pl- muzak playing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:53

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:53

And our parents would be like, "That's the power of love," you know? But it's playing my teas now, so.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:57

Did you feel, like, lulled into a state of, like, capitalistic coercion? Like, because you're muttering these lyrics-

Joanna RobinsonHost29:03

Oh, Josie and the Pussycats style?

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:05

I, I think.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:05

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:05

Like, a little bit of hypnosis so that you'll, you know, grab the thing-

Joanna RobinsonHost29:08

I bought the mangoes

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:08

... you don't need off the shelf.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:09

I did.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:10

I did.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:10

Alfonso? [laughs] You gotta get the good mangoes, I'm telling you.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:15

That was incredible work from you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:17

Thank you.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:17

Um, you're welcome.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:20

Amy's step-mom Brenda had a pet raccoon, and I just think that's important piece of information that we learned in this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:25

Rest in peace to.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:25

Yeah, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:26

And then just, like, everything we learn about Crystal doing donuts in the Piggly Wiggly.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:31

Um, her, the guard that she dated 'cause she's hot and crazy.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:36

Like, I got in a fight with a, with a window.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:40

That's how I got this scar.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:41

Yep.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:41

Is that how she got that scar? I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:43

Unclear.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:44

I mean, I just think Juliette Lewis is, like, every single line delivery is really, really fun and exciting.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:51

This is my problem with Anna as a counterpoint-

Joanna RobinsonHost29:53

Mm

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:53

... who I think we've had frustrations with throughout the season for various reasons.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:56

She's a bit mayonnaise for you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:58

She's a little bit mayonnaise.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:59

Mm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:59

I mean-

Joanna RobinsonHost30:00

And you want a spicy aioli.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:01

You wanna mix, mix that kikoman in.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:03

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:03

I want a, I want an entirely different condiment.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:05

I'm not sure that whatever condiment Crystal Katie is makes sense-

Joanna RobinsonHost30:09

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:09

... with whatever you're trying to make happen.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:11

But if you had a whole Crystal breakout episode, if half of this season was just following Crystal around-

Joanna RobinsonHost30:15

I agree

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:15

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:15

I would've loved it.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:16

This season needed way more Crystal Katie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:19

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:19

Like, I understand the, like, fun surprise of holding Juliette Les- Juliette Lewis back and then just, like, surprising and delighting us.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:25

But once we had her, like, we should've held onto her.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:29

Because she's gold.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:30

And this is what happens with, this is what happened with Yellowjackets.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:33

Juliette Lewis was, like, the l- lifeblood of Yellowjack- one of.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:37

There's some, a few others, but, like, she left that show.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:41

Just went all the way-

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:42

Oh, no

Joanna RobinsonHost30:42

... downhill after Juliette Lewis left.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:44

If you have the Lewis, you use the Lewis.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:47

That's what I'm saying.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:48

Self-explanatory.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:49

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:49

Everything about the weirdness of that character, what she's bringing to the performance, even the physical parts of it, where when she walks around she has a weird, like, wispy thing she's doing-

Joanna RobinsonHost30:58

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:58

... with her arms.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:59

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:59

I'm just like, I just wanna know everything about this woman.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:01

And I also just don't know how much of that is Crystal and how much of that is just Juliette Lewis.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:05

Unclear.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:05

Juliette, Juliette Lewis-ing around.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:07

Uh, yeah.

Conspiracy Board Deep Dive & ‘Swamp Law’31:07 – 38:14

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:07

Can, can we talk about Amy Brancato's conspiracy board?

Joanna RobinsonHost31:10

I would love to.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:11

Which, tomato sauce or not-

Joanna RobinsonHost31:13

As- aspirational

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:14

... there's just a lot there.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:16

Uh, I know-

Joanna RobinsonHost31:17

Oh, freeze-frame Mahoney, were you on the case?

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:18

Of course I was on the case.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:19

Great.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:19

Well, we see, we seen glimpses of it earlier in the season when Amy shoots herself in the head twice.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:24

Well, it's how the tomato soup got there in the first place.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:25

It's, we needed to see the origin story of the tomato soup.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:28

Uh, at that time-

Joanna RobinsonHost31:30

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:30

... we criticize some of the headlines, which are like, "Guilty," with an exclamation point.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:34

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:34

Or my least favorite that we see here, "Prosecution lays out Katie murder case." No.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:40

No.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:40

Speaking of mayonnaise, I have a new favorite, though.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:43

Has anyone ever told you you're writing with mayonnaise? Like, did, did, did an editor ever be like, "You gotta, you gotta keep a mind of that headline.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:49

It's a little mayonnaise"?

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:50

First of all, I'm insulted.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:52

We've all written a, a single mayonnaise headline in our lifetime.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:56

I mean, I'm sure it's happened.

Joanna RobinsonHost31:57

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost31:57

But I would hope that the editors I'm working with are kind enough to not say that to my face.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:01

Editor's not, not notoriously kind.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:03

Would you like to hear a headline that is not mayonnaise?

Joanna RobinsonHost32:05

Please.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:06

My absolute favorite on this collage, I, I really love it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:09

I think it's gonna need to go on the board at the end of this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:11

[laughs] It simply says, "Swamp law." [laughs] How, we've been, we've been barking up so many of the wrong trees.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:20

We're like-

Joanna RobinsonHost32:20

I know.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:20

Swamplaw@gmail.com

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:21

... h- h- well, first of all, like, how do we get Max Katie, like, uh, a restraining order? How do we keep him away from the Bowden kids? Like, what is he tried for in a conventional legal system? But this is swamp law.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:32

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:32

Like-

Joanna RobinsonHost32:33

It's like Maine Justice

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:34

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:34

the, the whole, the rules are all different.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:36

And I feel like maybe Anna is a little overmatched when it comes to swamp law.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:39

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:40

How does the gator bong play into swamp law, do you think?

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:43

Uh, they're legal, first of all.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:44

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:44

[laughs] Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:44

There's [laughs] you know, that's, that's not an accessory.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:47

Um, okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:49

We've already, I've already asked you this burner phone question.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:53

Uh, if you're leaving a noose in the cell of your enemy-

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:57

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost32:58

... is it a nice fluffy bedsheet noose? What are we doing? I guess we're doing, we're working with what we have.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:02

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:02

What, what's the alternative?

Joanna RobinsonHost33:04

I just found that...

Joanna RobinsonHost33:05

And I'm sorry to critique the fine work of the, of the inmates of this particular establishment, but I found that noose to be quite, like, sort of, like, fluffy and cozy looking.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:14

I think we needed to shred the sheets a bit more and get something that looked a bit more menacing, um, than that particular noose.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:20

Hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:20

Well, I would say this.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:21

One-

Joanna RobinsonHost33:22

'Cause you're not looking to cradle your neck in comfort-

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:26

No

Joanna RobinsonHost33:26

... fine Egyptian cotton when you're, when you're, you know, being driven to suicide

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:30

But you are looking for plausibility, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost33:32

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:32

And so it's like, if this man did kill himself, wouldn't he...

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:36

Like, he's not gonna do it with something he doesn't already have in his room.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:38

So yeah, the only options-

Joanna RobinsonHost33:40

By the same, shred up the sheets

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:41

... does that actually change anything?

Joanna RobinsonHost33:42

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:42

You get, like, a sort of, like, a ropey-er, knotty-er sort of situation.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:45

Maybe.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:46

But does Tom Bowden know how to do that?

Joanna RobinsonHost33:48

Tom Bowden doesn't do, know how to do anything.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:50

He really doesn't.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:51

Um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:51

Although, I would argue this whole ploy from Max, do you think he actually thinks it might work, nudging Tom to the point of hanging himself?

Joanna RobinsonHost33:59

Yes, 'cause I think he thinks Tom is a beta- beta cuck that can be talked into killing himself.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:05

He talked Amy Brancato into killing herself.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:07

Also-

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:07

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost34:07

... what's possible right now is that Max is just overplaying his hand across the board.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:10

I think that may be true.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:11

You know?

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:12

And I, I wondered based off of his reactions if he actually cared if Tom did it or not, or, or if it was just to kind of antagonize him a bit.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:18

Just fun.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:18

Just kind of like-

Joanna RobinsonHost34:19

Yeah, just a bit of fun

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:20

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:20

I'm bored.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:20

I'm looking for Anna.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:21

Let me do this.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:22

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:22

But if it was intended to work, I know Tom idolized his brother.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:26

Clearly he is playing into this idea that was explored earlier in the season of, like, Tom needs control, right? He wants, like, something he can do to save his family, and Max is kinda pushing him in that direction.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:37

I just think given his relationship with his brother and his brother's suicide-

Joanna RobinsonHost34:41

Hmm

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:41

... why would he visit that trauma on his own family by then killing himself? It just doesn't really add up as something that might actually work.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:48

Here's what I'll say about Max Katie.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:50

Uh, he cares enough to find out about the brother when I don't even think Anna knows about what happened with the brother.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:56

Wow.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:57

You're saying Max is the truest partner that Tom has ever had.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:01

You know, bars in hell, but here we are.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:03

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost35:05

The Max and Noa scene.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:06

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:06

I was, uh, worried for a second that Max was gonna kill every Black character on this show, and I was like, "Please don't." But, uh, Noa survives.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:15

She's just sort of like, "Fuck you."

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:16

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:17

And she survives the encounter.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:18

She gets to, to tell-

Joanna RobinsonHost35:19

Did you think she was gonna make it out of that room alive?

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:21

I thought she was.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:21

Really? Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:22

I-

Joanna RobinsonHost35:22

I was worried.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:23

The door was closed

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:24

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:24

I just don't think Max is feeling the need to act less and less, right? Like, he's more just menacing here than outright lying.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:31

Hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:31

But I don't think he's to the point of killing people in offices with lots of witnesses around.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:36

I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:36

I just, like, we're in the end game now.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:38

I feel like anything goes, but-

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:40

It might

Joanna RobinsonHost35:40

... she made it out.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:41

She was not intimidated.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:43

No, not a bit.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:44

He got the information he needed anyway.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:45

He did leave her with a, "You look beautiful," kissy face moment, which I thought was peak Bardem.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:51

Bardem is just bringing it week to week-

Joanna RobinsonHost35:53

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:53

... moment to moment, scene to scene.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:55

But yeah, I think Max as a character, just the fact that he is here in the first place, he's getting desperate, right? Like, he is trying to figure out how to track down Anna.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:03

Nevaeh was supposed to squeeze Natalie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:05

I guess did squeeze Natalie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:06

Did not work as far as the information gathering goes.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:09

Right, 'cause Natalie squeezed Nevaeh instead.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:10

I think that they kinda squeezed each other.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:12

They sure did.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:12

Uh, he tried going at Noa here.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:14

He gets nowhere.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:15

Fortunately, Anna's in a very convenient place with lots of other people to tell him where to go.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:20

So I'll throw it to Anna as well.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:21

Well, the moment where Anna was, says to Crystal, "You don't have anything he wants," and then Crystal's like, "Uh-oh, I got you though, girly."

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:29

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:29

You know what I mean?

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:29

This is your, your sleuth Anna.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:32

She does a really good job as she-

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:33

Your, your crack detective

Joanna RobinsonHost36:34

... she gets away.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:35

That's a real, that was, like, a real- ... biting fantasy layer of sarcasm from you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:41

[laughs] Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:41

I didn't enjoy it.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:42

Um, she gets the USB, she gets away.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:46

She does.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:47

Well, she, she knows Max's weakness: water.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:49

He can't swim.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:50

Jump in the water.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:51

I don't think he...

Joanna RobinsonHost36:51

I don't know if he even sees her.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:53

Like, if-

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:53

I don't think so.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:54

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:54

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:54

'Cause she's off the back of the boat, right?

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:56

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:56

And he's too distracted by the chucklefuck members of his family and what they're doing at the front of the boat, so.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:00

Well, one of them is blind, and angry, and waving around a gun, and pistol-whipping his father.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:04

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:04

So there's a lot happening.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:05

Yeah, there's a lot going on.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:07

But yeah, um, Anna swims away.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:09

I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:10

She gets a lot of information.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:11

She finds out who the real killer was, and she gets away.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:15

I think Anna did a great job in this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:17

I don't think River Cartwright on slow horses could do any better.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:19

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost37:19

I'll tell you that much right now.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:21

Well, famous fuckup River Cartwright.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:23

If, if the point is that Anna could be a slow horse or beat a slow horse-

Joanna RobinsonHost37:26

I think she could definitely beat a slow horse, and the bar is where the bar is, you know?

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:29

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:30

Um, she does get a knife through her hand, though.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:34

A fish knife.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:36

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:37

Ugh.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:38

Why, why a fish knife more than anything else is, is tough for you to see.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:42

Well, they just took it off the table w- with the fish guts.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:44

Oh, with the, with the fish guts.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:45

That's guts straight into your hand.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:46

I hate, like, not just a fish knife, but a fishy knife.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:48

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:48

A lot of fish-based crimes in this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:50

A lot.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:50

I mean, w- well, we get the very menacing, like, pile of fish heads when-

Joanna RobinsonHost37:54

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:54

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:54

Anna rolls up, and it's like nothing good is gonna happen once you see the pile of fish heads.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:57

Correct.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:58

Then she offers Anna a c- a beer from the cooler that also just has a bunch of dead fish in there, as you would.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:03

Gotta keep 'em on ice.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:03

A nice crisp morning beer.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:05

And morning fish.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:06

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:07

Um, I just love that, that the opening credits when Anna, like, wakes up in the boat and the Cape Fear sort of, like, logo goes out or whatever.

Boat Scene Staging & Missed Menace38:14 – 38:51

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:14

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:14

And it's just like Crystal's just, like, unbothered, having a beer, and catching some fish on the side of the dock.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:20

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:21

She's living her life.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:22

Can I give one note on that scene, though?

Joanna RobinsonHost38:23

Oh, please.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:24

Why can't the boat be adrift? Why can't we be on the water?

Joanna RobinsonHost38:27

I was sort of hoping it would be on the...

Joanna RobinsonHost38:29

When, when we did, like, the pull out-

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:30

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost38:30

...

Joanna RobinsonHost38:30

I was hoping we would be at sea.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:32

I know it's not no way out.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:32

And by at sea I mean a river.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:34

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:34

'Cause, like, clearly it's a river so you could just jump out and swim to the, to the shore, but-

Joanna RobinsonHost38:38

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:38

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:38

I feel like just it's on the dock.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:40

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:40

It maybe gives...

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:41

It takes away some of-

Joanna RobinsonHost38:42

Some of the menace

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:42

... like, the charge that you're getting in that moment.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:45

That's, that's, uh, that's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:47

Um, settle down, son, you're gonna get some crate time.

Secret Son Reveal, Zach Escape & Finale Predictions38:51 – 42:44

Joanna RobinsonHost38:51

As you mentioned, you think zero crate time is what Luke should have received in his lifetime.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:55

It doesn't seem to be the case.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:56

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:57

A secret son.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:58

I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:59

How do you...

Joanna RobinsonHost38:59

Like, this is a really interesting development, especially since, like, earlier in the episode he was introduced as, like, just a kid we have watching the dogs.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:07

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:07

So why, if he's just...

Joanna RobinsonHost39:08

They're hiding him because he's Max's son.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:11

That presumably.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:12

And if Max knows that he has a son, he'll get weird about it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:17

But does he know?

Joanna RobinsonHost39:18

No, I'm just saying that's, that's a reason to hide and lie about his identity.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:21

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:21

I'm, I'm just not so certain that Max doesn't already know.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:24

Oh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:24

And frankly, I think it's a little unclear when Anna does call him-

Joanna RobinsonHost39:28

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:28

... to say, "I figured it out.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:30

I know who did the murder."

Joanna RobinsonHost39:31

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:31

"Also you have a secret son who was supposedly given up for adoption.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:34

Never happened.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:35

He's right here at, at your father's house the whole time." I mean, Bardem gives this, like, kinda sly smile that's either, "Anna, you're wildly off base," or, like, just, like, finding another way to toy with her with this particular story.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:48

Oh, I already knew that?

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:49

I, yeah, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost39:49

Hmm

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:50

... like, maybe kind of amused that she's putting things together.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:52

Sure.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:52

So I, I really don't know what's true or what's not from that perspective at this point, but I agree with you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:58

It probably does make the most sense in terms of narrative closure for Luke to be Adam.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:03

I just, I don't, I don't know if that's where we're headed.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:06

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:06

Is this a show for narrative closure? It doesn't seem like it.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:09

Only one more episode to find out.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:11

Anything we haven't talked about that you wanna make sure we hit?

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:13

I do wanna circle back to Zach for a second, 'cause I-

Joanna RobinsonHost40:15

Oh, your favorite.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:16

I, well, I mean, always.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:17

He's on the loose.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:17

I would like to put it to you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:19

You know, you asked me, like, do I think he escaped from the facility? Did someone come and get him? Did Max come and get him? Like, what is there for him to do at this point? Like, we can put out the APB.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:28

Weird kid, four toes, strange vibe.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:32

[laughs] You know?

Joanna RobinsonHost40:33

Nine toes, to be fair.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:34

[laughs] Well, fair enough.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:35

Thinks he's AI slop.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:36

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:36

You know? Responds to Adam.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:38

Uh-huh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:39

But, like, what is he up to? What would he, what would he be trying to do?

Joanna RobinsonHost40:43

Find Max?

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:46

I guess.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:46

I just can't...

Joanna RobinsonHost40:47

When, when, when Tom calls him on the burner Nokia-

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:50

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost40:51

... and is like, "Uh, is it you?" Right? That's a sort of, like, "Have you broken the spell?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:58

Right.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:58

"Is it you?" And he's like, "It is me."

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:59

For the record, it's been, like, 24 hours.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:01

And I kind of believe that it is him.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:03

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:04

But then he sees the AI slop son, and so that's-

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:08

Maybe shakes it loose

Joanna RobinsonHost41:09

... unsettling.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:10

I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:11

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:11

It's also clear, we should say, that Zach does not know that his father has been accused of murder and is currently in prison.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:16

No, he's like, "We're doing fine, y'all."

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:18

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:18

"We're missing you at home."

Joanna RobinsonHost41:19

"Don't, don't worry about the prison sounds you hear in the background."

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:21

"Made a new pitcher as team."

Joanna RobinsonHost41:23

[laughs] A storm's a, still a-brewing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:25

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:26

What else do you want from the finale?

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:28

I need that tree to fall in the Bode backyard.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:30

Oh, okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:30

I don't know if we're going back there, though.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:32

Are we...

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:32

Is everything gonna be pointing to Cape Fear River, or is all the action gonna be there? Like-

Joanna RobinsonHost41:36

That's a lot of characters to get up to Cape Fear River.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:38

It's true.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:38

S- uh, I feel like the action has to split up a little bit, or maybe everyone ha- needs to come back to Savannah.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:43

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:43

And also we should say just in Cape Fear terms, based on the previous movies, I feel like there always is...

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:50

Maybe this is a mild spoiler, so, like, if you don't wanna hear anything about the movies, jump ahead, uh, like, 30 seconds.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:55

But, like, there's always a kind of a big showdown around the house, and I feel like we haven't gotten that.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:00

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:00

So you want everyone back at the Bode and-

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:02

I would like it

Joanna RobinsonHost42:02

... homestead.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:03

Plus, I mean, very tasteful greenery around there.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:05

Some great wallpapering.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:07

Also, you were telling me before we started recording that if you don't get to see Lexi in the finale, you're gonna riot.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:11

I'm a little upset that she just has been kicked to the curb.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:14

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:15

Or maybe she's pardoned by now.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:16

Maybe it's all good for...

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:17

Honestly, if you're not appearing on Cape Fear and you live in Savannah-

Joanna RobinsonHost42:20

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:20

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:20

I think your life is going pretty great.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:21

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost42:21

Everything's going well for you.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:23

Uh, do we need the detectives to come back and be-

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:25

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost42:25

... involved in some way?

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:26

Just glib it up.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:27

They gotta die, I would think.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:28

You think they need to die?

Joanna RobinsonHost42:29

They've been really bad at their jobs, I think, and really, like, snide-

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:33

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost42:33

... uh, while, while being bad at their jobs, so I-

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:35

So the cops need to die.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:36

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:36

The kids need to go in the crate.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:38

Yep.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:38

Any, anyone else you wanna point in any particular direction?

Joanna RobinsonHost42:40

And just mayo and tuna on a sandwich is great.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:43

Good lord.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:43

First Randy Newman, and now this.

Second-to-Last Corkboard Session42:44 – 45:33

Joanna RobinsonHost42:44

this.Uh, should we go to the board?

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:48

Let's go to the board.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:49

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:49

This is our second to last opportunity to put stuff on the board.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:52

I'm honestly sad about it.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:53

I know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:54

Not that we have room.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:55

It's looking great, honestly.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:57

I think it's some of the best work we've ever done.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:58

I really, I really agree.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:00

I'm gonna start us off strong.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:01

It's the title of the episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:03

Big old scar.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:04

It's a big one.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:05

It's a big old scar.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:06

Not a lot of explanation on said scar.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:07

I don't think a fish knife made it.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:09

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:10

[laughs] I really hope not.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:11

Uh, how about Amy Brancato's homemade tomato soup?

Joanna RobinsonHost43:16

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:16

It's all over her board.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:16

It's not on ours yet.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:17

I hope it never will be.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:18

Probably should've said tomato bisque.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:20

Bisque is just inherently funnier than soup.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:22

That's so much grosser though, somehow.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:25

Baby Doll Katie.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:26

Did I misspell it? Don't worry about it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:28

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost43:28

Baby Doll Katie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:30

One other relic from the Katie family, the flash drive that is now river soaked and in no way should be functional.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:37

Waterproof, question mark?

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:39

I do not know if one.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:40

Um, I don't know why you gave me this card-

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:43

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost43:43

... because this is your beautiful turn of phrase.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:47

Thank you.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:48

Prison post-nut clarity.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:50

Well, I gave it to you because I took one of yours in turn, which is Natalie's biscuit.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:53

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:54

A phrase we used more on this episode than I frankly feel comfortable with.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:58

Um, here's something we forgot to talk about, but Melissa's tacky heart necklace.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:02

Gotta talk about it.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:03

It's important.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:04

Uh, it seems to be a clue-

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:06

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost44:06

...

Joanna RobinsonHost44:06

in the swamp- swamp law case.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:07

Why do you think it's important? Was it the initial holding camera shot of it in the photograph?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:12

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:12

Or the residual [laughs] like the returns to it periodically every so often?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:16

I just think if the story is this, if, if the story is that Max treated Crystal like trash-

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:21

Mm

Joanna RobinsonHost44:21

...

Joanna RobinsonHost44:21

but treated, uh, Melissa like gold, and this is, this fucking Claire's Boutique necklace-

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:28

That's it

Joanna RobinsonHost44:28

... is, is what he's giving her.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:29

Costume jewelry?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:30

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:30

Aspire to better, you know?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:32

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:32

If you're, if you're out there courting your Max Katie, I promise you, you can do better.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:35

Um, do differently.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:36

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost44:37

Don't.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:38

How about the many burner phones that are happening on this show?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:40

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:40

But I would say most importantly, the one that was Nevaeh's is now in Natalie's possession.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:45

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:46

Uh, I would think it would have a lot of texts and/or messages from Max on it.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:51

Um, 'cause this has to be just what's transpired between them in prison, right?

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:56

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:57

Oh, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:57

It would only be from-

Joanna RobinsonHost44:58

Because it, yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:58

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:58

I guess it would only be from this visit.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:59

You're right.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:59

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:00

Not the pr- not the earlier messages, which they might already have access to anyway.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:03

Right, because she couldn't have brought that cell phone in with her.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:07

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:07

We should also note on the flash drive that may be water soaked, supposedly Crystal has proof of Max doing crimes.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:14

Uh, luring Amy into killing herself?

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:16

Could be.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:17

I don't know exactly, but she said she has pho- oh, no, she has voice memos that were in Amy's possession.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:21

But that's what I thought.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:22

It was like him nightly being like, "Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself."

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:25

Does that work?

Joanna RobinsonHost45:26

You do it long enough and you look like Javier Bardem.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:29

I mean, you've alr- you've already taught people to use guns on this pod.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:31

It's been a very educational experience.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:33

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost45:33

Pray time.

Wrap-Up & Live-Show Tease45:33 – 48:19

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Rob MahoneyHost45:33

Be very careful with your power.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:34

Conserve it for your children.

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Rob MahoneyHost45:36

[laughs] Or don't, 'cause you will be subject to swamp law.

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Rob MahoneyHost45:44

The, the arm of the...

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Rob MahoneyHost45:46

I was gonna say of the gator-

Joanna RobinsonHost45:47

Gator

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Rob MahoneyHost45:47

...

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Rob MahoneyHost45:47

but their arms are quite short.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:48

Oh, okay.

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Rob MahoneyHost45:49

The snout of the gator is long.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:52

Are there any long armed critters in the swamp?

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Rob MahoneyHost45:54

I mean, there's long bodies, you know.

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Rob MahoneyHost45:56

A lot, a lot of snakes out there.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:57

Oh, yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost45:58

Clearly the gators and the crocs will get you.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:00

Okay.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:00

Maybe a catfish.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:02

The gators and the crocs? I thought those were in two different, like, geographical locations.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:06

Well, Florida, we got gators for sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:08

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:08

Where do the crocs live?

Joanna RobinsonHost46:09

I think like South America.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:11

Wow.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:12

Maybe they got imported.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:13

Maybe they're an invasive species.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:14

Like, maybe someone brought a croc.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:16

Oh, well this-

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Rob MahoneyHost46:16

Now they're commingling with the alligator

Joanna RobinsonHost46:17

...

Joanna RobinsonHost46:17

this has been, we've gotten a lot of possum versus opossum emails from people.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:20

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:21

How would you sum them up?

Joanna RobinsonHost46:24

I would say this, and this is something I did already know.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:26

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:26

That a possum, a possum, and opossum are two different animals.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:32

Sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:33

And I did know that.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:34

A possum is like I think Australian or New Zealand animal, a completely different animal.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:38

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:39

And that opossum or opossum-

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Rob MahoneyHost46:41

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost46:41

... uh, is the American, uh, critter.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:45

Do I agree with you that most people call the American critter just simply possum? I do, but some-

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Rob MahoneyHost46:49

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost46:49

... people call it opossum, and that is what I've learned from our emails.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:52

So you're saying they're correct.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:54

I'm saying I'm right.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:55

Hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:56

Drunken Master Anna Boden, put her on the case.

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Rob MahoneyHost46:59

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost46:59

She seems to be doing a better job than Sober Anna.

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Rob MahoneyHost47:02

I'm just not sure about that, but hey there, Delilah.

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Rob MahoneyHost47:05

Don't you worry about the distance.

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Rob MahoneyHost47:07

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost47:08

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:08

[laughs] And that's the end of this podcast.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:11

We'll be back with the finale.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:12

Uh, we might have something special cooking up for the finale.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:15

I'm, I'm unsure, but we will see.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:18

Um, anything else you want to say, Rob, before we go?

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Rob MahoneyHost47:20

Simply nothing left.

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Rob MahoneyHost47:21

What, what could we say that the board has not already said for us?

Joanna RobinsonHost47:23

We do have post-Cape Fear plans.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:25

We've got some great plans a-cookin'.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:27

We also, I don't, I don't think I can officially announce it yet, but I will just say if you're in LA, keep your eyes out.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:33

Um, we'll be doing a live show in August in LA.

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Rob MahoneyHost47:37

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:37

We can't quite announce what it is yet, but that's our first live show.

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Rob MahoneyHost47:40

Our first ever live Prestige TV Podcast.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:42

So if you're in LA and you want to come out, hang out with us, and hear us talk about television perhaps with some other folks, then keep your eyes peeled, 'cause we should be doing that next month.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:51

So hopefully we can announce that officially soon.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:53

And thank you to Jacob Cornett, Dev Ronaldo, who, uh, you know, Zoomed in from across the country and to Kai Grady and to Justin Sales, who's here in the office today.

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Rob MahoneyHost48:04

True.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:04

And Cape Fear for keeping it absolutely batshit all the time.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:08

We'll see you soon.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:08

Bye.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:12

[outro music]

Red Bull ‘Gives You Wings’ Skit48:21 – 48:50

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SPICY22:01–22:23
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SHOCKING25:46–26:16
Acid Tea & Missing Toe
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