Jul 10, 2026 · 1 hr 8 min · 16 segments
In today's episode I am joined by Todd Shipman, a functional nutritionist and biohacker who set out to debunk quantum energy as a scam and ended up working for the company he was trying to expose…
Emma DunwoodyHost
I want to just jump in because I'm really curious about, so what are the correct terms? So if people are listening, like straight away, you're like, well, one plus one doesn't equal two over here because if it was blocking EMF, like then the whole phone wouldn't work.
The accurate, very more clear, I think, legitimate terms would be like neutralizing or harmonizing.
And even those patches, at least the ones that I have tested, technically do not work.
Especially when some of those things might, if they do some things that block the EMS, what it actually does if you use an actual meter is it makes that EMF, what's to say a cell phone is the EMS are going to be higher because now it's searching for more something to connect to.
So it's actually like if you're walking around and you don't have cell service, For example, your phone is emitting more EMFs than if it's actually connected to something because it's working harder to try to find something to connect to.
When I was with Bulletproof, gosh, I mean, a decade ago, that was stuff that we tested with Dave Asprey.
It was like, well, if we're putting these things into these Faraday cages or something that suppresses the EMFs, what are the other devices doing? And we found that they're all working harder to try to connect.

So I do want to, like, I literally want to break down what exactly quantum energy is.

But before we get there, I love this part of your story about how you were this cynic.

Like, yes, we've established that, but I want to hear specifically with quantum energy because You know, I'm sitting here today having so much success with this weird modality called human design.

And I know that I've had an experience with quantum energy where we use the particular device.

And one of the things, because I'm so results driven, one of the things that showed, like gave me evidence straight away was my plants.

I want to just jump in because I'm really curious about, so what are the correct terms? So if people are listening, like straight away, you're like, well, one plus one doesn't equal two over here because if it was blocking EMF, like then the whole phone wouldn't work.
The accurate, very more clear, I think, legitimate terms would be like neutralizing or harmonizing.
And even those patches, at least the ones that I have tested, technically do not work.
Especially when some of those things might, if they do some things that block the EMS, what it actually does if you use an actual meter is it makes that EMF, what's to say a cell phone is the EMS are going to be higher because now it's searching for more something to connect to.
So it's actually like if you're walking around and you don't have cell service, For example, your phone is emitting more EMFs than if it's actually connected to something because it's working harder to try to find something to connect to.
When I was with Bulletproof, gosh, I mean, a decade ago, that was stuff that we tested with Dave Asprey.
It was like, well, if we're putting these things into these Faraday cages or something that suppresses the EMFs, what are the other devices doing? And we found that they're all working harder to try to connect.

So I do want to, like, I literally want to break down what exactly quantum energy is.

But before we get there, I love this part of your story about how you were this cynic.

Like, yes, we've established that, but I want to hear specifically with quantum energy because You know, I'm sitting here today having so much success with this weird modality called human design.

And I know that I've had an experience with quantum energy where we use the particular device.

And one of the things, because I'm so results driven, one of the things that showed, like gave me evidence straight away was my plants.
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