Jun 29, 2026 · 49 min · 12 segments
What happens when a respected manual therapist begins questioning the very narratives that shaped his career? In this episode of *The Fully Booked Therapist Podcast*, Heather sits down with Walt…
Heather HammellHostIt's a, it's a narrative that the public loves, and a lot of therapists think it's necessary to break things up.
But much as we've learned in some of our mutual trainings that, you know, can we do this in a different way-
... without having to put that, um, patient on guard or threat, or putting them in that place of saying, "Gosh, I'm willing to accept whatever you need to do to help me," which is an incredibly vulnerable position that people put themselves in, in that place of trust.
I want the patient to have a voice for themselves, no pun intended with the voice work that I teach.
But I want their voice to basically share an equal place as my voice, which is what shared decision-making is all about.
It's like me saying, "You know, Heather, this is something I've used on people in the past, and let's try it now, but what do you think? Does it feel helpful to you? Does it feel useful? Does it feel harmful? Is it, is it a waste of time?" I think I ask more from my patients than a lot of, like, MFR and similar therapists do because I want them to speak up for themself.
I don't want them to trust me beyond, you know, that minimal trust of, okay, you're an expert.
But I want them to really have a voice in therapy that I never saw in my training.

I think, too, like, some of these things are just not meant to be taught in those environments, right? Like, it's very skill focused, it's very technique focused.

And this is to no fault of, of different seminars or wherever you get your training at.

the intention is, like, we're gonna teach you these things, and then you're gonna magically go back to your office, and you're gonna have a successful practice.

And nobody teaches the client journey, or how do you actually talk to the client in order for them... like, for you to understand their problem better than they do even, and then t- give them a plan and options and have them agree to it and want what you have to offer, and then go forward from there.

Now I'm gonna help you make sure that that skill set works for your patients, and that you get fully booked, and you charge the rate that you need to charge.
It's a, it's a narrative that the public loves, and a lot of therapists think it's necessary to break things up.
But much as we've learned in some of our mutual trainings that, you know, can we do this in a different way-
... without having to put that, um, patient on guard or threat, or putting them in that place of saying, "Gosh, I'm willing to accept whatever you need to do to help me," which is an incredibly vulnerable position that people put themselves in, in that place of trust.
I want the patient to have a voice for themselves, no pun intended with the voice work that I teach.
But I want their voice to basically share an equal place as my voice, which is what shared decision-making is all about.
It's like me saying, "You know, Heather, this is something I've used on people in the past, and let's try it now, but what do you think? Does it feel helpful to you? Does it feel useful? Does it feel harmful? Is it, is it a waste of time?" I think I ask more from my patients than a lot of, like, MFR and similar therapists do because I want them to speak up for themself.
I don't want them to trust me beyond, you know, that minimal trust of, okay, you're an expert.
But I want them to really have a voice in therapy that I never saw in my training.

I think, too, like, some of these things are just not meant to be taught in those environments, right? Like, it's very skill focused, it's very technique focused.

And this is to no fault of, of different seminars or wherever you get your training at.

the intention is, like, we're gonna teach you these things, and then you're gonna magically go back to your office, and you're gonna have a successful practice.

And nobody teaches the client journey, or how do you actually talk to the client in order for them... like, for you to understand their problem better than they do even, and then t- give them a plan and options and have them agree to it and want what you have to offer, and then go forward from there.

Now I'm gonna help you make sure that that skill set works for your patients, and that you get fully booked, and you charge the rate that you need to charge.
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