Jul 12, 2026 · 45 min · 13 segments
In this episode of the Entropy Podcast, Francis Gorman sits down with Darren Bender, a Texas-based attorney, chief legal officer, and co-founder working at the intersection of law, IT, and…
Darren BenderGuest
Francis GormanHost
Darren, I suppose I have to ask because hot off the press in the last week, Donald Trump has signed an executive order that has essentially shifted the timelines.

When we think of your framework, does that play directly into the negligence aspects that a company needs to consider right now, especially in the US, if the president has mandated that quantum readiness pulls back to 2030 and 2031, depending on the use case?

It absolutely does, because it makes the issue hard to ignore, to claim ignorance in any kind of reasonable way.

To ignore it at this point, that lends itself to a view that you'd be having conscious disregard of the issue.

Before I dive in too far into the legal impacts, I did want to set the table because I haven't followed your podcast.

I had that IT background going for me, but if there's a lawyer out there who's listening for the first time, who's picking up this podcast like, oh, lawyer, let's see if I understand what they're talking about.

When everybody's got a plate, they sit down and they have a nice conversation.

So I could imagine, oh, what'd you bring? You got some cryptography over there? What's that about? Oh, cryptography.

You have a message, you send it to someone else, and while it's in transit, it's all garbled up.

People can see the message going by, but they don't understand what it's saying.

Darren, I suppose I have to ask because hot off the press in the last week, Donald Trump has signed an executive order that has essentially shifted the timelines.

When we think of your framework, does that play directly into the negligence aspects that a company needs to consider right now, especially in the US, if the president has mandated that quantum readiness pulls back to 2030 and 2031, depending on the use case?

It absolutely does, because it makes the issue hard to ignore, to claim ignorance in any kind of reasonable way.

To ignore it at this point, that lends itself to a view that you'd be having conscious disregard of the issue.

Before I dive in too far into the legal impacts, I did want to set the table because I haven't followed your podcast.

I had that IT background going for me, but if there's a lawyer out there who's listening for the first time, who's picking up this podcast like, oh, lawyer, let's see if I understand what they're talking about.

When everybody's got a plate, they sit down and they have a nice conversation.

So I could imagine, oh, what'd you bring? You got some cryptography over there? What's that about? Oh, cryptography.

You have a message, you send it to someone else, and while it's in transit, it's all garbled up.

People can see the message going by, but they don't understand what it's saying.
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