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Sep 23, 2026
Jim BergmannGUEST
Everybody's using really good capacitive humidity sensors.
Jim BergmannGUEST
So, like, the quality of measurements that we have today is approaching the metrological grade equipment they use at NIST.
Jim BergmannGUEST
I mean, I've been to NIST and tested probes.
Jim BergmannGUEST
our calculations on MeasureQuick compared to NIST, using, literally pulling instruments out of my car and walking into the lab, and we're in the uncertainty range, meaning that their metrological grade instrumentation that's extremely accurate, highly calibrated, the stuff I pulled out of my car was in the uncertainty range.
Jim BergmannGUEST
In other words, their stuff and our stuff was reading so close together, they couldn't tell me whether our stuff or their stuff was right.
Jim BergmannGUEST
because they're overlapping that close.
Herman PoppleberryHOST
And this is where the industry's own standards body has been clear for years.
Herman PoppleberryHOST
NIST deprecated SMS as a restricted authenticator a while back.
Herman PoppleberryHOST
They didn't ban it, but they flagged it because SMS is interceptable and because, and this is the part people miss, it's losable.
Herman PoppleberryHOST
Fastmail has a documented position on this that I find clarifying.
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Herman PoppleberryHOST
It's all just decisions about who counts as a user.
CornHOST
Herman, let me put the uncomfortable version to you.
CornHOST
If all of this is documented, if the falsehood's lists exist, if NIST said it years ago, if Fastmail wrote down the trade-off in plain language, why
Herman PoppleberryHOST
is the default still the lockout? Because the lockout is cheap, and the recovery path is expensive, and the cost of the lockout is paid by someone who isn't in the room.
Tim CallanHOST
And there was a fascinating presentation about South Korea.
Tim CallanHOST
And it's completely independent post-quantum cryptography program, which is aimed at coming up with a completely independent set of PQC algorithms that are not MLChem or MLDSA or any of the other ones that we're getting out of NIST.
Tim CallanHOST
So...
Tim CallanHOST
What's going on
Jason SorokoHOST
Justin Moody has been on.
Jason SorokoHOST
Yes.
Jason SorokoHOST
We talked about NIST's selections for post-quantum algorithms.
Jason SorokoHOST
What's gone to standardization? What's on the on-ramp? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Al MartinHOST
they're like, what? But again, way out in front.
Al MartinHOST
In fact, if I have this right, I think there were four algorithms that NIST took and three of them, we invented, we as an IBM.
Al MartinHOST
And the other one was invented by somebody else that I think I haven't proven this or I haven't validated this.
Al MartinHOST
So just to be clear that we brought that person on.
Al MartinHOST
So now we have all four.
Tina TarquinioGUEST
Of the algorithms that NIST is standardized on.
Tina TarquinioGUEST
So NIST is the governing body for this space in the U.S. Three of the four algorithms had direct IBM involvement through our teams, obviously working with research, you know, in our labs around the world.
Tina TarquinioGUEST
And the fourth We had a tie to the person, as you say, that did the development.
David LaceyGUEST
So we avoided technical detail because standards that mention specific technologies not only date quickly, but they also prevent a level playing field.
David LaceyGUEST
The US standards body, NIST, saw the first version of our work and actually wanted to publish it as a NIST document.
David LaceyGUEST
But BSI objected on copyright grounds.
David LaceyGUEST
They did, however, give us a very nice plug in the introduction to the generally accepted system security principles.
Sabine HazanGUEST
I didn't trust my, my NIH.
Sabine HazanGUEST
I didn't trust the scientists at NIST.
Sabine HazanGUEST
I didn't trust the scientists at CDC.
Sabine HazanGUEST
The CDC, I called them on my data to show them that there was a lot of bifidobacteria, and they're like, "We don't understand the microbiome just yet."
Roger GrimesGUEST
And they've kind of named that post-quantum cryptography.
Roger GrimesGUEST
And NIST held a public contest a bunch of years ago that finally selected these finalists.
Roger GrimesGUEST
And we do have these finalists that you're supposed to replace RSA Diffie-Hellman elliptic curve cryptography with the new NIST finalist.
Roger GrimesGUEST
And they call that post-quantum cryptography.
Roger GrimesGUEST
And the idea is that you're supposed to upgrade your quantum susceptible cryptography to the quantum resistant cryptography.
David PollakGUEST
We are out of time.
David PollakGUEST
And, you know, NIST estimates it's going to take 10 years for the software infrastructure to be upgraded.
David PollakGUEST
We got four.
Tuboise FloydHOST
Yeah.
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Tuboise FloydHOST
Yeah.
Tuboise FloydHOST
Yeah.
Tuboise FloydHOST
You know, that's a great, thank you, a great lead-in to what I'm going to ask, right? Spice Labs is mapping posture against things like CNS 2.0, NIST IR 8547, and other requirements.
Tuboise FloydHOST
But we both know what can happen with compliance.
Walter HaddockHOST
AI transparency and explainability are different things, but you would not know it from reading most of the documents out there.
Walter HaddockHOST
ISO, NIST, EU AI Act.
Walter HaddockHOST
They all talk about... transparency and explainability, but don't do a really good job of distinguishing between the two.
Walter HaddockHOST
I wrote an entire article on transparency, explainability and interpretability and provided some concrete definitions.
Jason BermasGUEST
They totally ignore.
Jason BermasGUEST
And that's NIST debunkers like this one that we have on record.
Jason BermasGUEST
temperatures of over 2,000 degrees.
Jason BermasGUEST
Pataki went on the record and said it.
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