The Strange Intellectual Roots of the New Right

Thanks, guys, for the kind of introduction there.

So, you know, to zoom out a little bit, I think you guys have, you know, gone through kind of the technical, the details.

I'm going to go, like, really broad here in terms of how I see it, and then I want your reactions in terms of if I'm missing something or if you characterize it a little bit differently.

So the reason why I wanted to chat with you guys about post-liberalism and why I think this matters, you know, James, you mentioned it as a political movement, right? It is a movement that has prominent academics, people at Harvard, people at Notre Dame.

You know, this is not just sort of random Internet screeds, though there are random Internet screeds.

But there are people, you know, at reputable institutions with reputations who are advancing this.

So fairly serious people in one way or another.

It's influential among especially younger Republicans or conservative circles.

It's made a lot of impact in inroads, as you mentioned, ISI, some of these Ivies groups.

It's become very it's been very attractive, I think, to many younger folks.

And we should talk about why, because I think it's really interesting.

You guys spend some time talking about that.

Now, the darker side.

And then you guys address this.

And I think it's it's fair to say, although some of the post liberals object and they're all over the place on this.

I see some of this post-liberalism, integralism being connected to the rise of anti-Semitism that we see on the right.

And the rise because of how they...

What they identify as the problem in society and the body politic, a kind of conspiratorial problem.

And you guys trace sort of historically what this looks like in France and other European countries in terms of the bad guys, if you will, or the conspiracies that integralists are responding to, the reason why the world is not the way it is.

Jews are a part of that conspiracy.

Not just that.

It's a little bit different or maybe slightly different flavor than some of the Nazi stuff, but it's similar in some ways, too.

So we'll unpack that a little bit.

But I think a lot of people are really surprised by the rise of anti-Semitism.

You listen to a Tucker Carlson, you listen to You know, Candace Owens or Megyn Kelly or just others who maybe are not directly in this post-liberal or the integralist movement, but they're adjacent to it.