Sushi, Shamanism & Self-Realization with Frank Yang

When I first started to get into like more like the non-dual space, how like recognizing everything is mine.

And then, well, at first I thought the way I framed it before was everything was God's mind.

There was a phase when I looked at everything as God's mind, right? So when Stephen Hawking was talking about looking into the mind of God, And I was like, oh, interesting.

He's not actually looking into quote unquote reality because you don't know what reality is.

You know, you can only know the concept of mind in a sense.

So that was always what I had inside.

When all these physicists are actually looking for the nature of reality by popping like particles and atoms and string theories, in a sense, I'm not saying there's no reality out there.

That's solipsism.

I'm saying like whatever they look at, it's still there.

You can say their mind or the collective mind, it's still mind.

You cannot get to what reality fundamentally is.

I

understand.

But again, that doesn't mean reality doesn't exist.

That also doesn't mean that We can't, no, it's like right at the edge, right? Because the moment you said you can't know reality, that's a view already.

It's like, oh, we can't know reality at all.

The moment you say we can have direct contact with reality and know reality as it is, that's also another extreme view.

So it's somewhere in the middle, right? Somewhere even beyond both extremes.

Exactly.

You can say mind and reality are co-arising together, but neither side has inherent existence, but because of that, they co-arise.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So you're saying scientists have this almost like a bias?

Yeah, I think most scientists have a pretty biased view about reality where they think like the material reality is actually a thing out there that you can actually know.

Again, that's not completely wrong, but it's a partial view.