Jun 30, 2026 · 1 hr 15 min · 15 segments
**Can competition actually make us less creative?** In this episode of The Bardo Podcast, Marc Salmon is joined by comedian, writer and illustrator Marty Gleeson for a conversation about creativity…
Marty GleesonGuestMarc SalmonHost
No, the risk thing, this is literally the looping thought in my brain for the past year and a half and the aging thing.

And I think it's like when you're new, the older you get and taking risks, it's like how do those things work and fit together? And when you're new to anything, you take risks because you don't know what you're doing, right? But then I think in general, creatively, I took risks...

I'm worried that I'm going the other way, but I'm actively trying to not be like that.

Wait, what? yeah you write on the wall like on a piece of paper stick it on my wall

i'm like absolutely fine no it's not like before i start writing to try i just write a few things like don't have an agent i don't have any there's no expectation anywhere
yeah don't want to what is it what is it that you're worried about it's just a lot of pressure yeah it's

just a lot of pressure and it's not I don't even know where it's coming from it's just yeah the minute I wake up in the morning my brain is like

No, the risk thing, this is literally the looping thought in my brain for the past year and a half and the aging thing.

And I think it's like when you're new, the older you get and taking risks, it's like how do those things work and fit together? And when you're new to anything, you take risks because you don't know what you're doing, right? But then I think in general, creatively, I took risks...

I'm worried that I'm going the other way, but I'm actively trying to not be like that.

Wait, what? yeah you write on the wall like on a piece of paper stick it on my wall

i'm like absolutely fine no it's not like before i start writing to try i just write a few things like don't have an agent i don't have any there's no expectation anywhere
yeah don't want to what is it what is it that you're worried about it's just a lot of pressure yeah it's

just a lot of pressure and it's not I don't even know where it's coming from it's just yeah the minute I wake up in the morning my brain is like
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