Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU
Sep 15, 2026 · 1 hr 7 min · 13 segments
Kirk Pearson - "Theme from Techtonic" \[0:00:00] \- "Mark's intro" \- "Interview with Byron Tau from June 24, 2024" \[0:05:15] \- "Interview with Byron Tau" \[0:14:24] \- "Mark's comments"…
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The last thing I want to say is that I'm doing this episode today about the growth of the surveillance state.

And I would guess that some listeners out there are saying, well, Mark, isn't there a more pressing issue? Because all of the tech news, I mean, it feels like over 90 percent of the tech news in the last week or so has been about A.I., The existential risk, you know, the AI is going to achieve consciousness or super intelligence or AGI, the artificial general intelligence.

And it's going to run amok and it's going to start killing people and destroying institutions.

Shouldn't we be talking about that as opposed to the slow metastatic growth of the surveillance state? And what I want to say is a lot of the AI coverage is being driven by the tech oligarchs for their own purposes.


There was also the security incident from Hugging Face where an AI supposedly got loose and it hacked into another system.

What really happened there is that researchers set up a testbed without proper controls, without proper security controls.

It is either incompetent or irresponsible or both teams in Silicon Valley who are running their tools in a way that is harmful, is dangerous for the rest of us.

And so those are the people who need to be held to account for their decisions and their behavior.

And in the meantime, as they are trying to, I think, in part distract us from what they're doing by running all these scary stories about AI, what we should pay attention to is the reality on the ground.

There are flock cameras probably in your town, in your community, watching you wherever you drive.


Your data is available to data brokers and government agencies, as Byron Tao talked about.

You are being spied on in a way that, if you're American, is totally unconstitutional.

The last thing I want to say is that I'm doing this episode today about the growth of the surveillance state.

And I would guess that some listeners out there are saying, well, Mark, isn't there a more pressing issue? Because all of the tech news, I mean, it feels like over 90 percent of the tech news in the last week or so has been about A.I., The existential risk, you know, the AI is going to achieve consciousness or super intelligence or AGI, the artificial general intelligence.

And it's going to run amok and it's going to start killing people and destroying institutions.

Shouldn't we be talking about that as opposed to the slow metastatic growth of the surveillance state? And what I want to say is a lot of the AI coverage is being driven by the tech oligarchs for their own purposes.


There was also the security incident from Hugging Face where an AI supposedly got loose and it hacked into another system.

What really happened there is that researchers set up a testbed without proper controls, without proper security controls.

It is either incompetent or irresponsible or both teams in Silicon Valley who are running their tools in a way that is harmful, is dangerous for the rest of us.

And so those are the people who need to be held to account for their decisions and their behavior.

And in the meantime, as they are trying to, I think, in part distract us from what they're doing by running all these scary stories about AI, what we should pay attention to is the reality on the ground.

There are flock cameras probably in your town, in your community, watching you wherever you drive.


Your data is available to data brokers and government agencies, as Byron Tao talked about.

You are being spied on in a way that, if you're American, is totally unconstitutional.
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