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Talk with Toby: Real Life. Real Faith.

Talk with Toby: Real Life. Real Faith.

Finding Fresh Joy: Heidi McLaughlin on Love, Loss, Grief, Regret & Faith

Sep 29, 2026 · 44 min · 10 segments

Some stories change you forever. Heidi McLaughlin has known extraordinary love and devastating loss. She said goodbye to her first husband, Dick, in 1994, and to her second husband, Jack, in 2016. In…

Some stories change you forever. Heidi McLaughlin has known extraordinary love and devastating loss. She said goodbye to her first husband, Dick, in 1994, and to her second husband, Jack, in 2016. In this deeply honest conversation, Heidi opens up about grief, regret, the "if onlys" that followed Jack’s death, and how her faith was tested, broken open and rebuilt. Before the loss, there was a prodigal-daughter season. Heidi shares how her relationship with God changed through everything she lived, and how she now helps women find hope and what she calls "fresh joy." That means jo...

Some stories change you forever. Heidi McLaughlin has known extraordinary love and devastating loss. She said goodbye to her first husband, Dick, in 1994, and to her second husband, Jack, in 2016. In…

Speakers: Heidi McLaughlinGuestTobyHost

Show signals: SuitabilitySafeBiasNot politicalAudience≈3k followers

Top entities: God×58 post-traumatic stress disorder×7 Faith×3 Bible×11 Christianity×2

Building and Healing a Marriage3:43 – 8:09

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on that, you have experienced loss.

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You are somebody who has...

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You've lost two husbands.

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Are you

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:49

open to sharing what just happened there? Absolutely.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:54

My first marriage...

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:57

We came into the marriage as non-Christians.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:59

We both became believers years into the marriage.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:02

And that's where our marriage fell apart.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:04

But because of our belief, we worked on our marriage.

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4:06

Both of us were committed to doing that.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:09

And from then, we learned to love each other in a different way.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:13

And that's where our marriage began to grow and thrive.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:17

And we were married 28 years, so the last 15 years were really the best.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:22

They were the fruit, the gold, because we had brought Christ into the center of our marriage.

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4:29

And we stopped being so selfish and power struggles.

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4:33

Christ became the center.

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4:36

I want to go down.

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4:37

I want to go off on this tangent.

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4:40

That's not in the notes.

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But I think there's so many people today who are willing to just kind

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:46

of throw the baby out

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with the

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bath water.

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And

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Healing marriage through prayer and unselfish loveRelationships > Marriage > Christian marriage > Mutual submission and marital commitment
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Building and Healing a Marriage3:43 – 8:09

T

TobyHost

3:43

on that, you have experienced loss.

T

TobyHost

3:45

You are somebody who has...

T

TobyHost

3:47

You've lost two husbands.

T

TobyHost

3:49

Are you

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:49

open to sharing what just happened there? Absolutely.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:54

My first marriage...

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:57

We came into the marriage as non-Christians.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

3:59

We both became believers years into the marriage.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:02

And that's where our marriage fell apart.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:04

But because of our belief, we worked on our marriage.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:06

Both of us were committed to doing that.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:09

And from then, we learned to love each other in a different way.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:13

And that's where our marriage began to grow and thrive.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:17

And we were married 28 years, so the last 15 years were really the best.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:22

They were the fruit, the gold, because we had brought Christ into the center of our marriage.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:29

And we stopped being so selfish and power struggles.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:33

Christ became the center.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:36

I want to go down.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:37

I want to go off on this tangent.

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:40

That's not in the notes.

T

TobyHost

4:40

But I think there's so many people today who are willing to just kind

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:46

of throw the baby out

T

TobyHost

4:46

with the

H

Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:47

bath water.

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Heidi McLaughlinGuest

4:48

And

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