Episode 11 - The Intersectional Lens with Victoria Baskerville

We welcome all your many selves.

We welcome every part of you.

And then I know intersectionality, you sort of briefly touched on that.

And I know it's something that's very important to Mike.

He's brought it up before on other podcasts.

Some of our other podcasts, should I say.

Mike, do you want to delve into that a little bit more?

Yeah, of course, absolutely.

I mean, I love what you're saying there, Victoria, about the rich soup that kind of comes together, your different intersectional elements there and It is something that is that kind of plays through my mind.

It's something that through my journey in TA and the training and things that I've become much more aware of my own kind of intersectionality, all the different facets that come together.

And I really liked what you're saying about, you know, today asked me tomorrow and asked me today and yesterday, it will look and feel different in those moments.

And I think I'm just wondering, can you actually kind of maybe expand on that a bit more? Like what, what does it mean to see things through an intersectional lens?

Thank you so much.

I think.

First of all, what led me to the intersectional lens was that I was very much when I was training in the nineties, it was very much about this idea of working with other cultures or working with difference.

And for me, that, that is racism, actually this idea that it's the other that has a culture, this white construct that the others, the other, so let working with difference, let working with other cultures.

And actually what I came to understand is that we have many cultural selves.

If we think about social and cultural contexts of gender, of race, of ethnicity, of heritage, of sexuality, of disability, they are all cultural selves.

And so really it's interesting.

I think psychotherapy is often at least 30 years behind.

Because we know that Granshaw in 89 coined the idea of intersectionality to really understand the aspects of self that are multiply marginalized and how they intersect and how people are multiply oppressed.

And also we can account for multiple privilege in that.

So I think that for me, intersectionality is about really accounting for the different positions that we have within the systemic, the different identities.

I come into the world as white.

So that gives me privilege.

We welcome all your many selves.

We welcome every part of you.

And then I know intersectionality, you sort of briefly touched on that.

And I know it's something that's very important to Mike.

He's brought it up before on other podcasts.

Some of our other podcasts, should I say.

Mike, do you want to delve into that a little bit more?

Yeah, of course, absolutely.

I mean, I love what you're saying there, Victoria, about the rich soup that kind of comes together, your different intersectional elements there and It is something that is that kind of plays through my mind.

It's something that through my journey in TA and the training and things that I've become much more aware of my own kind of intersectionality, all the different facets that come together.

And I really liked what you're saying about, you know, today asked me tomorrow and asked me today and yesterday, it will look and feel different in those moments.

And I think I'm just wondering, can you actually kind of maybe expand on that a bit more? Like what, what does it mean to see things through an intersectional lens?

Thank you so much.

I think.

First of all, what led me to the intersectional lens was that I was very much when I was training in the nineties, it was very much about this idea of working with other cultures or working with difference.

And for me, that, that is racism, actually this idea that it's the other that has a culture, this white construct that the others, the other, so let working with difference, let working with other cultures.

And actually what I came to understand is that we have many cultural selves.

If we think about social and cultural contexts of gender, of race, of ethnicity, of heritage, of sexuality, of disability, they are all cultural selves.

And so really it's interesting.

I think psychotherapy is often at least 30 years behind.

Because we know that Granshaw in 89 coined the idea of intersectionality to really understand the aspects of self that are multiply marginalized and how they intersect and how people are multiply oppressed.

And also we can account for multiple privilege in that.

So I think that for me, intersectionality is about really accounting for the different positions that we have within the systemic, the different identities.

I come into the world as white.

So that gives me privilege.