Sep 21, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 10 segments
Johnny Shaw was born and raised on the Calexico/Mexicali border, the setting for his award-winning Jimmy Veeder Fiasco series, which includes the novels DOVE SEASON, PLASTER CITY, and IMPERIAL VALLEY…
Johnny ShawGuest
Terrence McCauleyHostAnd it's interesting how, you know, the process does shape us as artists once you go through it.
We go in with an idea of this is how it's going to be, whether it's the story or the production process.
Yeah, it's, I mean, Craig Robertson, I heard an interview with him, and he just used the phrase, every day's a school day.
It's probably been to the detriment of my, and I'll put it in quotes, career, that I always want to kind of be riding to the ceiling of my talent.
Like I remember when a floodgate came out and it, you know, it, I think it didn't from a publishing standpoint or from Amazon standpoint, it probably was a disappoint, like sales were disappointed.
It didn't fine, but it was like, uh, it did, it wasn't the runaway success that they were having with some other books.
And it's interesting how, you know, the process does shape us as artists once you go through it.
We go in with an idea of this is how it's going to be, whether it's the story or the production process.
Yeah, it's, I mean, Craig Robertson, I heard an interview with him, and he just used the phrase, every day's a school day.
It's probably been to the detriment of my, and I'll put it in quotes, career, that I always want to kind of be riding to the ceiling of my talent.
Like I remember when a floodgate came out and it, you know, it, I think it didn't from a publishing standpoint or from Amazon standpoint, it probably was a disappoint, like sales were disappointed.
It didn't fine, but it was like, uh, it did, it wasn't the runaway success that they were having with some other books.
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