Feb 26, 2026 · 55 min · 12 segments
In this episode of Siren Investigates, John Randles sits down with Dr. Sae Schatz, Founder and CEO of The Knowledge Forge, former Director at the U.S. Department of Defense Advanced Distributed…
John RandlesHost
i i and and speaking of trends we're now in what people are calling the fourth industrial revolution
And the thing that's really interesting about the industrial revolutions isn't just the technology, which is certainly the catalyst, but it's the ripple effects that come from the technology.
So computers, the internet, and we saw there the democratization of information.
So real changing power structures from how you used to have these informational gatekeepers to now we started to have peer-to-peer networks and influencers.
And we really saw the rise of the attention economy, right? Where your attention is monetized, it is manipulated.
Now we're in the fourth industrial revolution, which is characterized by the advanced AI tools we have, the idea of convergence.
So the convergence of digital systems with physical systems with biological systems.

i i and and speaking of trends we're now in what people are calling the fourth industrial revolution
And the thing that's really interesting about the industrial revolutions isn't just the technology, which is certainly the catalyst, but it's the ripple effects that come from the technology.
So computers, the internet, and we saw there the democratization of information.
So real changing power structures from how you used to have these informational gatekeepers to now we started to have peer-to-peer networks and influencers.
And we really saw the rise of the attention economy, right? Where your attention is monetized, it is manipulated.
Now we're in the fourth industrial revolution, which is characterized by the advanced AI tools we have, the idea of convergence.
So the convergence of digital systems with physical systems with biological systems.
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