Research Renaissance: Exploring the Future of Brain Science
Oct 7, 2026 · 54 min · 11 segments
How are deep ocean dynamics, extreme weather, and human health intertwined? In this episode of Research Renaissance, host Deborah Westphal sits down with Dr. Joellen Russell-a leading oceanographer…
Joellen RussellGuestDeborah WestphalHost
This is fascinating because can-- I've had, you know, the real opportunity to go to the Antarctica twice, which a lot of people, it's hard, right? It's hard.

First of all, it's, you know, it's got the, the penguins, and that's really cool.

And can you explain really kind of simple the, the currents and what, how that drives weather? Absolutely.

But- I've, I've convinced our governor that, that the, what, how much heat the Southern Ocean around Antarctica takes up determines how hot it gets here in Arizona.

And for a place in the desert that has a long history of heat, but which is being overwhelmed now beyond what we had ever expected, this matters.

So Antarctica is, is, it's a continent, but it's a big island, and it's right at the southern tip of our planet, right? And so the westerly winds, which we have two big westerly bands that go around and around, one up here, which is where I thought I knew the Arctic blizzards from, and one down around Antarctica, which is where I felt those massive waves being driven by those insane winds.

The winds in the, around Antarctica are 30% stronger than the winds around the North Pole, and the reason is the North Pole has speed bumps.

They have speed bumps, and that friction is, slows the winds so that they are about 30% less strong in the Northern Hemisphere.

So what I thought was a big blizzard was overwhelmed by my mega blizzard in the Southern Ocean, and that was a real observation.

That wasn't just a kid going, "Ha." It was a real thing that I now spend time with satellite observations of ocean roughness and how high the waves are, et cetera.

And these are incredibly important measurements that are, you know, we need more of, a lot more, in order to understand extreme events.

This is fascinating because can-- I've had, you know, the real opportunity to go to the Antarctica twice, which a lot of people, it's hard, right? It's hard.

First of all, it's, you know, it's got the, the penguins, and that's really cool.

And can you explain really kind of simple the, the currents and what, how that drives weather? Absolutely.

But- I've, I've convinced our governor that, that the, what, how much heat the Southern Ocean around Antarctica takes up determines how hot it gets here in Arizona.

And for a place in the desert that has a long history of heat, but which is being overwhelmed now beyond what we had ever expected, this matters.

So Antarctica is, is, it's a continent, but it's a big island, and it's right at the southern tip of our planet, right? And so the westerly winds, which we have two big westerly bands that go around and around, one up here, which is where I thought I knew the Arctic blizzards from, and one down around Antarctica, which is where I felt those massive waves being driven by those insane winds.

The winds in the, around Antarctica are 30% stronger than the winds around the North Pole, and the reason is the North Pole has speed bumps.

They have speed bumps, and that friction is, slows the winds so that they are about 30% less strong in the Northern Hemisphere.

So what I thought was a big blizzard was overwhelmed by my mega blizzard in the Southern Ocean, and that was a real observation.

That wasn't just a kid going, "Ha." It was a real thing that I now spend time with satellite observations of ocean roughness and how high the waves are, et cetera.

And these are incredibly important measurements that are, you know, we need more of, a lot more, in order to understand extreme events.
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