Patterns Tell Stories | UFOs & High Strangeness
Aug 12, 2026 · 1 hr 35 min · 13 segments
In this episode, we break down the competing interests behind the scenes of the modern disclosure movement and the implications for UAP transparency.
How much is known about that? I don't think much.
Is it like
set in stone? Oh, yeah.
There's a
website.
Oh, dear.
Yeah, there's a whole website.
Yeah, so let's talk about this real quick.
An article came out in OSV News.
We've got the church covered.
The article says, Vatican City, a widely discussed new documentary about UFOs, Age of Disclosure, includes an allegation from a former CIA official... that the Vatican holds evidence of the existence of non-human intelligence and he does not mean angels.
Such claims have prompted Catholic filmmaker Sam Sorich to make his own documentary, which he says will investigate the allegation and articulate a Catholic response to the controversy now drawing the attention of U.S. lawmakers.
It's a wild claim, Sorich said.
A film like Age of Disclosure is going to have a massive cultural impact and the Catholic response should happen at every level.
I'm going to lay out the claims and facts, he said, explaining that the allegation would serve as his hook for exploring, along with credentialed theologians and church experts, what it would mean for believers if it turned out to be true.
As detailed by former intelligence official David Grush in 2023 congressional testimony, the allegation holds that Pope Pius XII knew of a UFO that crashed near Milan in 1933.
Grush said the Pope later back-channeled information about the craft to the U.S. government, which took possession of it after World War II, according to those who believe the story.
Here we go.
Catholic News Service followed Sorich's team on October 31st as they filmed a scene in which Jesse Michaels, a popular podcaster researcher, was given a guided tour of a fascist-era military bunker in San Oreste, Italy, where the technology behind the alleged craft was said to have been studied.
There's a well-known connection between this place and the Vatican.
Whatever.
I guess the point is, this is David Grush and Jesse Michaels being part of this documentary.
And the director of this documentary is Sam Sorich, who they were interviewing in this article.
How much is known about that? I don't think much.
Is it like
set in stone? Oh, yeah.
There's a
website.
Oh, dear.
Yeah, there's a whole website.
Yeah, so let's talk about this real quick.
An article came out in OSV News.
We've got the church covered.
The article says, Vatican City, a widely discussed new documentary about UFOs, Age of Disclosure, includes an allegation from a former CIA official... that the Vatican holds evidence of the existence of non-human intelligence and he does not mean angels.
Such claims have prompted Catholic filmmaker Sam Sorich to make his own documentary, which he says will investigate the allegation and articulate a Catholic response to the controversy now drawing the attention of U.S. lawmakers.
It's a wild claim, Sorich said.
A film like Age of Disclosure is going to have a massive cultural impact and the Catholic response should happen at every level.
I'm going to lay out the claims and facts, he said, explaining that the allegation would serve as his hook for exploring, along with credentialed theologians and church experts, what it would mean for believers if it turned out to be true.
As detailed by former intelligence official David Grush in 2023 congressional testimony, the allegation holds that Pope Pius XII knew of a UFO that crashed near Milan in 1933.
Grush said the Pope later back-channeled information about the craft to the U.S. government, which took possession of it after World War II, according to those who believe the story.
Here we go.
Catholic News Service followed Sorich's team on October 31st as they filmed a scene in which Jesse Michaels, a popular podcaster researcher, was given a guided tour of a fascist-era military bunker in San Oreste, Italy, where the technology behind the alleged craft was said to have been studied.
There's a well-known connection between this place and the Vatican.
Whatever.
I guess the point is, this is David Grush and Jesse Michaels being part of this documentary.
And the director of this documentary is Sam Sorich, who they were interviewing in this article.
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