Jun 23, 2026 · 41 min · 15 segments
### Nature in the Classroom with Ernesto Rodriguez: Creating Calmer, More Focused Learning Spaces What if supporting children's focus, well-being, and learning could begin with the spaces where they…
Ernesto RodriguezGuest
Victoria HackettHost
So first, I just want to let our listeners know that we are looking at a picture of you with a ceiling frame that's going to go up on the ceiling.

It's really that beautiful, when you look up at the sky and you're under a tree, it's truly real, very real looking.

And so what inspired you to focus specifically on classroom ceilings? It's very unique.

Well, having been a school psychologist for many years, you don't touch a teacher's walls.

And I thought, well, the ceiling, I've never really seen anybody do anything with a ceiling.

Maybe put stuff on the lights, but we can't do that because it darkens the room too much.

Why don't we develop a tile that we can print on that's a smooth tile that gives you a high-resolution that you can look at.

And the images that we print are basically about a two gigabyte file, super high res, because in order for this to work, it has to look real.

And we print, basically, one ceiling is an assembly of 46 images that have been put together digitally to give you a tree canopy that is super realistic, super sharp.

So can you tell me the science behind this work? So much of your work is grounded in what you said, attention restoration theory.

Can you explain that concept to our listeners and educators? Because they might not understand what that is.

Attention restoration theory, like I said, was developed at the University of Michigan.

And it has been verified empirically that And they did studies of looking at how your body responds to being in a natural environment versus a man-made environment.

versus pictures of an urban environment, nature is defined by a scalopattern called a fractal, which we are biologically wired to look at and interpret and make sense of, whereas city dwellings are basically parallel lines.

So when they showed pictures of nature versus city imagery, people were able to more quickly interpret a natural scene than they could a city scene.

And they further took the studies and narrowed it down to just looking at trees.

Fractals define coastlines, they define clouds, they define trees, and they define forests.

So first, I just want to let our listeners know that we are looking at a picture of you with a ceiling frame that's going to go up on the ceiling.

It's really that beautiful, when you look up at the sky and you're under a tree, it's truly real, very real looking.

And so what inspired you to focus specifically on classroom ceilings? It's very unique.

Well, having been a school psychologist for many years, you don't touch a teacher's walls.

And I thought, well, the ceiling, I've never really seen anybody do anything with a ceiling.

Maybe put stuff on the lights, but we can't do that because it darkens the room too much.

Why don't we develop a tile that we can print on that's a smooth tile that gives you a high-resolution that you can look at.

And the images that we print are basically about a two gigabyte file, super high res, because in order for this to work, it has to look real.

And we print, basically, one ceiling is an assembly of 46 images that have been put together digitally to give you a tree canopy that is super realistic, super sharp.

So can you tell me the science behind this work? So much of your work is grounded in what you said, attention restoration theory.

Can you explain that concept to our listeners and educators? Because they might not understand what that is.

Attention restoration theory, like I said, was developed at the University of Michigan.

And it has been verified empirically that And they did studies of looking at how your body responds to being in a natural environment versus a man-made environment.

versus pictures of an urban environment, nature is defined by a scalopattern called a fractal, which we are biologically wired to look at and interpret and make sense of, whereas city dwellings are basically parallel lines.

So when they showed pictures of nature versus city imagery, people were able to more quickly interpret a natural scene than they could a city scene.

And they further took the studies and narrowed it down to just looking at trees.

Fractals define coastlines, they define clouds, they define trees, and they define forests.
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