Jun 12, 2026 · 52 min · 17 segments
In this episode of On The Record, Poppy Reid sits down with Australian global export Ruel to revisit his 2023 debut album Fourth Wall; a record that captured one of the most uncertain and…
RuelGuest
Poppy ReidHost
Once you have a hit or once you've got this expectation of playing arenas, like the pressure and the workload is tenfold.

I was just like only writing fake tortured music of like folky dark stuff that I was just like because that's I was so sad and go and I just wanted to and I was writing about things also that yeah I had no right writing to write about and I was just making things sound edgy and sad just for the sake of it because I wanted to sound or feel more serious.

This wasn't me this was me trying something out and pretending to be something that I wasn't it was like a pretty response from them what

did it feel like when the record was released the main so to this day you've never had your heart broken I mean I've had like

What do you think 12-year-old Rule would be most surprised about when he looked at your career now?

That was like a difficult part of my career, definitely, because I was just like, damn, like, I've got to...
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Once you have a hit or once you've got this expectation of playing arenas, like the pressure and the workload is tenfold.

I was just like only writing fake tortured music of like folky dark stuff that I was just like because that's I was so sad and go and I just wanted to and I was writing about things also that yeah I had no right writing to write about and I was just making things sound edgy and sad just for the sake of it because I wanted to sound or feel more serious.

This wasn't me this was me trying something out and pretending to be something that I wasn't it was like a pretty response from them what

did it feel like when the record was released the main so to this day you've never had your heart broken I mean I've had like

What do you think 12-year-old Rule would be most surprised about when he looked at your career now?

That was like a difficult part of my career, definitely, because I was just like, damn, like, I've got to...