Aug 21, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 11 segments
Everyone borrows. Almost nobody borrows from eighty different people Repurposed from Jigar Sagar's podcast The Hidden Code, this one is about money - how you get it, how you keep it, and what happens…
Matt HaycoxGuest
Jigar SagarHost
Where did this courage come from because listen like you know you're seeing all these things and then you bring the age into context it takes a lot of courage because one is either you're so skilled that you have that confidence in you know what you know and knowing what I know of you I know that you aren't just simply you know shooting in the dark and Where was this courage coming from? Like who was backing you? Who was, you know, motivating you? Was it just self-driven or self-belief or what was

I mean, if we talk about today, you know, I... obviously talk a very different story nowadays about about whether it's mentors or or advisors or or and also I've got 25 years extra knowledge today than I had back then I think back then it was just raw desire hunger you know desperation call it call it whatever you want desperation to be better and I you know I always say I don't have a rags to riches story you know I didn't come from some poverty background you know my parents weren't gazillionaires and um you know we lived in a nice house we went on holidays you know we had a my parents had a small holiday home in spain you know so i was i was very much middle class you know to the rest of the world and i never wanted for anything as a kid i mean to be clear my parents never finance any of my businesses but as a let's say up until 18 years old i never wanted for anything But it was never enough for me.

And I guess I never really thought about the downside because, you know, how...

But the short story is my, let's say, fearless desire to grow became coupled with my insatiable appetite for debt.

And I went from 2004, we opened the first one, and by 2008 I'd grown to the biggest strip club operator in the UK, had 11 venues trading and a few ancillary businesses under the same brand.

I'd started a pub portfolio, had 60 pubs, I was a partner in a chain of retail stores, I started a finance company, I was doing everything.

Longer term leverage, it could have been equity, it could have been many things.

But back then, particularly with the strip clubs, because we have obviously a word in finance called reputational risk, the mainstream banks, let's say clean investors, didn't want to be in that industry.

which left me with no alternative other than to go to niche lenders, alternative lenders, not loan sharks or anyone dodgy, but just different lenders who would lend over 24 months instead of 10 years, who would be charging 20% interest rates, not 8% interest rates.

Where did this courage come from because listen like you know you're seeing all these things and then you bring the age into context it takes a lot of courage because one is either you're so skilled that you have that confidence in you know what you know and knowing what I know of you I know that you aren't just simply you know shooting in the dark and Where was this courage coming from? Like who was backing you? Who was, you know, motivating you? Was it just self-driven or self-belief or what was

I mean, if we talk about today, you know, I... obviously talk a very different story nowadays about about whether it's mentors or or advisors or or and also I've got 25 years extra knowledge today than I had back then I think back then it was just raw desire hunger you know desperation call it call it whatever you want desperation to be better and I you know I always say I don't have a rags to riches story you know I didn't come from some poverty background you know my parents weren't gazillionaires and um you know we lived in a nice house we went on holidays you know we had a my parents had a small holiday home in spain you know so i was i was very much middle class you know to the rest of the world and i never wanted for anything as a kid i mean to be clear my parents never finance any of my businesses but as a let's say up until 18 years old i never wanted for anything But it was never enough for me.

And I guess I never really thought about the downside because, you know, how...

But the short story is my, let's say, fearless desire to grow became coupled with my insatiable appetite for debt.

And I went from 2004, we opened the first one, and by 2008 I'd grown to the biggest strip club operator in the UK, had 11 venues trading and a few ancillary businesses under the same brand.

I'd started a pub portfolio, had 60 pubs, I was a partner in a chain of retail stores, I started a finance company, I was doing everything.

Longer term leverage, it could have been equity, it could have been many things.

But back then, particularly with the strip clubs, because we have obviously a word in finance called reputational risk, the mainstream banks, let's say clean investors, didn't want to be in that industry.

which left me with no alternative other than to go to niche lenders, alternative lenders, not loan sharks or anyone dodgy, but just different lenders who would lend over 24 months instead of 10 years, who would be charging 20% interest rates, not 8% interest rates.
The rest of this transcript — segmented and speaker-labeled, so you land on the exact moment something was said
Search every transcript — by keyword, by phrase, or by meaning, across every show Radar indexes
Trends — what is surging across podcasts, measured against its own baseline
Alerts — when a name you follow appears in a newly indexed episode
No account is needed to search Radar.