Jun 19, 2026 · 42 min · 10 segments
The private credit market has exploded — and so has the risk hiding inside it. 12% of private credit loans are now PIK. 40% of borrowers have negative cash flow. And $700 billion was raised in just…
Hadley MaGuest
Steven G. KobreHost
Jeff MarwilGuest
Jef KlazenGuest
Andrew RabinowitzGuestRoger ArginaldoHost
The first, and we just came up with this question, the first is what to buy my wife for our anniversary.

And two, thank you for laughing, I go on stage at eight o'clock at the Apollo, no.

And why don't I understand that? Because I've recently spoken at an Earthstone conference on this exact topic.

Fidelity tells you it's 1.8 trillion, and Morgan Stanley tells you it's 3 trillion.

So what is private credit, and why are the definitions and size so diverse? It depends how broad you classify the definition.

So when Steve mentioned he was going to ask me this question over there about a half hour ago, I wrote down how big or broad the definition can be.

music royalties, corporate loans, equipment finance, inventory finance, auto loans, home improvements, residential mortgages, CRE debt, aviation finance, rail car leasing, infrastructure, agriculture, and the like.

Is it distress, ABL, ABF, BDCs? So basically, to sum it all up, what private credit is, is it's nontraditional lending, given the regulatory changes post the Great Recession, where banks...

It's cost prohibitive for banks to do these loans to companies, depending on the structure.

90 plus percent are variable rates, and they're usually backed by something, either a hard asset, intellectual property, cash flows, EBITDA.

Well, that's the definition as far as I know, and if anyone has ideas for my wife, please let me know later.

Hadley, I take it you have no anniversary ideas, but how about your take on that definition?

The first, and we just came up with this question, the first is what to buy my wife for our anniversary.

And two, thank you for laughing, I go on stage at eight o'clock at the Apollo, no.

And why don't I understand that? Because I've recently spoken at an Earthstone conference on this exact topic.

Fidelity tells you it's 1.8 trillion, and Morgan Stanley tells you it's 3 trillion.

So what is private credit, and why are the definitions and size so diverse? It depends how broad you classify the definition.

So when Steve mentioned he was going to ask me this question over there about a half hour ago, I wrote down how big or broad the definition can be.

music royalties, corporate loans, equipment finance, inventory finance, auto loans, home improvements, residential mortgages, CRE debt, aviation finance, rail car leasing, infrastructure, agriculture, and the like.

Is it distress, ABL, ABF, BDCs? So basically, to sum it all up, what private credit is, is it's nontraditional lending, given the regulatory changes post the Great Recession, where banks...

It's cost prohibitive for banks to do these loans to companies, depending on the structure.

90 plus percent are variable rates, and they're usually backed by something, either a hard asset, intellectual property, cash flows, EBITDA.

Well, that's the definition as far as I know, and if anyone has ideas for my wife, please let me know later.

Hadley, I take it you have no anniversary ideas, but how about your take on that definition?
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