Sep 15, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 12 segments
Confidence, according to one of the world’s leading voice coaches, Caroline Goyder, comes from shutting your mouth. It's a strange claim from someone who has spent her career teaching leaders how to…
Caroline GoyderGuestHowie ChanHostSo going back to getting the attention, what are some things that someone could do? So you talked about leaning into your body, looking for the gap, obviously stay grounded.
What are some things that someone could do to get people to pay attention to you?

There's an assumption that because the noise in our head is heard only by us, that other people don't know it's happening.

We kind of know when someone is talking to us, and they're also talking to themselves in their head because, like, if I start thinking about what's gonna happen this evening, and I talk to you, my voice kinda disappears.

You know that I've kind of gone from my gaze, from my energy, from my presence.

So I think one of the things for people who want more influence in a room to really start to notice is inner dialogue, the voice in the head, because it flattens your voice, and it takes you away from people, and it really lowers your influence because we are influenced by people who find us fascinating.

Yeah, if they're talking to themselves in their head, they're not really with you.

And it's such a simple truth, but I mean, I go on the Tube most days in London, and I think, you know, subways in most cities are the same.

There's al- always one or two people that I'm making eye contact with 'cause I'm nuts, but everybody's lost scrolling.
So going back to getting the attention, what are some things that someone could do? So you talked about leaning into your body, looking for the gap, obviously stay grounded.
What are some things that someone could do to get people to pay attention to you?

There's an assumption that because the noise in our head is heard only by us, that other people don't know it's happening.

We kind of know when someone is talking to us, and they're also talking to themselves in their head because, like, if I start thinking about what's gonna happen this evening, and I talk to you, my voice kinda disappears.

You know that I've kind of gone from my gaze, from my energy, from my presence.

So I think one of the things for people who want more influence in a room to really start to notice is inner dialogue, the voice in the head, because it flattens your voice, and it takes you away from people, and it really lowers your influence because we are influenced by people who find us fascinating.

Yeah, if they're talking to themselves in their head, they're not really with you.

And it's such a simple truth, but I mean, I go on the Tube most days in London, and I think, you know, subways in most cities are the same.

There's al- always one or two people that I'm making eye contact with 'cause I'm nuts, but everybody's lost scrolling.
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