Ariel LugoGuestMattHost
No, actually, uh, uh, uh, I forgot to mention [laughs] the fact that because I was trained at Chapel Hill and I, I was always a, an academic, uh, ecologist-
Mm-hmm

... what I call an academic ecologist, with the Forest Service I got a second e- education because then I became aware of the management aspects of ecology.
Right.

And, uh, one, one of the stories that I tell people that are willing to listen is that at the University of Florida, I used to train academic ecologists, but in another building, um, the, the School of Forestry would train foresters.

And, uh, uh, uh, you know, and I was friends with them and, and so forth, but, you know, the- Students actually did not mix.
Wow.

So you train ecologists to, to, to do one thing, and you train foresters to do another thing, and then they go and fight.
[laughs] Yeah.
Hmm.

And so I learned that through the Forest Service, and I consider that my second PhD although-
[laughs]
[laughs]

But, uh, understanding the management side I think is critical for today's conservation because people actually fight, you know, uh, without reason.
Mm-hmm

In fact, you know, the Forest Service based its wh- its, it bases its whole management scheme on s- on the scientific basis of management.

The sc- the scientific side of the agency whereas on another side of the agency there were the m- forest managers.

No, actually, uh, uh, uh, I forgot to mention [laughs] the fact that because I was trained at Chapel Hill and I, I was always a, an academic, uh, ecologist-
Mm-hmm

... what I call an academic ecologist, with the Forest Service I got a second e- education because then I became aware of the management aspects of ecology.
Right.

And, uh, one, one of the stories that I tell people that are willing to listen is that at the University of Florida, I used to train academic ecologists, but in another building, um, the, the School of Forestry would train foresters.

And, uh, uh, uh, you know, and I was friends with them and, and so forth, but, you know, the- Students actually did not mix.
Wow.

So you train ecologists to, to, to do one thing, and you train foresters to do another thing, and then they go and fight.
[laughs] Yeah.
Hmm.

And so I learned that through the Forest Service, and I consider that my second PhD although-
[laughs]
[laughs]

But, uh, understanding the management side I think is critical for today's conservation because people actually fight, you know, uh, without reason.
Mm-hmm

In fact, you know, the Forest Service based its wh- its, it bases its whole management scheme on s- on the scientific basis of management.

The sc- the scientific side of the agency whereas on another side of the agency there were the m- forest managers.
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