Jun 5, 2025 · 1 hr 21 min · 10 segments
By popular demand we are releasing last month's Patreon bonus episode on the main feed! We chart the transformation of the lab leak from an unfounded theory promoted by right-wing cranks to an…
Peter ShamshiriHostTo describe, like, the lab leak as you understand it, and then what are the pieces of evidence for the lab leak, as you understand them?
Okay.
I'm not gonna remember-
...
the scientific details, because I did not prepare for this episode by listening to our last one.
Which I would describe as the minimum amount of diligence that a podcaster would do.
But, in my defense, I've been very sleepy.
So, here, I think, is the basic lab leak thesis.
The, uh, origin point for COVID-19 as we know it is, uh, in and around Wuhan, China.
Also in Wuhan, China is a lab that studies coronaviruses.
Wouldn't it make sense-"
"... that they were studying a virus, a virus escaped containment-"
And I think that the location of the lab has always been the starting point.
To describe, like, the lab leak as you understand it, and then what are the pieces of evidence for the lab leak, as you understand them?
Okay.
I'm not gonna remember-
...
the scientific details, because I did not prepare for this episode by listening to our last one.
Which I would describe as the minimum amount of diligence that a podcaster would do.
But, in my defense, I've been very sleepy.
So, here, I think, is the basic lab leak thesis.
The, uh, origin point for COVID-19 as we know it is, uh, in and around Wuhan, China.
Also in Wuhan, China is a lab that studies coronaviruses.
Wouldn't it make sense-"
"... that they were studying a virus, a virus escaped containment-"
And I think that the location of the lab has always been the starting point.
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