Hunger & Heart with Kaila Colbin
Aug 18, 2026 · 1 hr 13 min · 14 segments
Mike ‘Crono’ Cron spent 15 years with the All Blacks — more than 200 tests, two World Cups, and a reputation as the best scrum coach in the game. In this conversation he breaks down how he actually…
Mike CronGuest
Kaila ColbinHost
If I look back to me in 1983 coaching St. Andrews, you know, if 10 out of 10 is a top coach, I would have been a three, you know.

Not knowing really what are your big rocks, what are the really important things that we have to be the best in the world at.

Now, you might be coaching a high school team, but I always say to all the athletes, how can we be best in the world at that? And you set a very high standard, but you can't if you don't understand what are the big rocks.

So I was probably covering, didn't understand what the big rocks were through no experience, no real experience as a coach.

And when I look back, the amount of wasted time I did at training would be unbelievable.

A big rock would be a You know, what do you live and die off as a team? So skills.

And if you look at three things in anything you do in the sport, on any sport I'd say, you've got system and structure is number one.

So we're young coaches and me when I was young, I get tied up in the system and structures too much.

Which is what? Well, saying the line out, this is your five-man, four-man, and this is all your options.

If I look back to me in 1983 coaching St. Andrews, you know, if 10 out of 10 is a top coach, I would have been a three, you know.

Not knowing really what are your big rocks, what are the really important things that we have to be the best in the world at.

Now, you might be coaching a high school team, but I always say to all the athletes, how can we be best in the world at that? And you set a very high standard, but you can't if you don't understand what are the big rocks.

So I was probably covering, didn't understand what the big rocks were through no experience, no real experience as a coach.

And when I look back, the amount of wasted time I did at training would be unbelievable.

A big rock would be a You know, what do you live and die off as a team? So skills.

And if you look at three things in anything you do in the sport, on any sport I'd say, you've got system and structure is number one.

So we're young coaches and me when I was young, I get tied up in the system and structures too much.

Which is what? Well, saying the line out, this is your five-man, four-man, and this is all your options.
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