Steve Hansen

game on tour yeah

but then again Like I said last week, if the All Blacks lose their last game of the year, then it's something that just, what did Steve Hansen say? It's the rock under the towel.

Rock under the beach towel, man.

That whole situation.

I think because he was sitting in amongst some of the warm-up games or...

November test for Steve Hansen and his coaching team.

So we were invited in, did that.

And I was coaching the Dragons then by that stage.

Interesting to say that.

I saw Steve Hansen talk on his podcast, the... great form all blacks coach said exactly that he's like and he presided over a new zealand team that won two world cups and were absolutely like unbeatable for a few years and he said you bet you bet when you're winning you bury stuff you bury stuff maybe in terms of relationships between you know players or your backs and your forwards or whatever or the way you want to play the game or you bury um you bury selection issues, you bury it when you're winning.

And so this is like, things now will come out about the World Red Roses in terms of- It's the same stuff, mate.

And yeah, you're going to say the over-reliance on the line-out drive and a connected attacking game, but these things you bury when they're winning the World Cup.

I am past what happened last week.

But what it has helped me actually to reflect on is the conversations that I've had with both Steve Hansen and Ewen McKenzie over the last couple of weeks because coaches are, they're a bloodless lot in the way that they go about their work.

And perhaps I'll start with you, Stone Cold Steve Hansen, just as a coach.

What insights can you give people about the life and the mindset of a coach? The old thing of don't get too happy when you win, don't get too sad when you lose.

How was it that you managed yourself through the extensive career that you had?

of time.

And what about that challenge of, as you and Mackenzie said, it's seven days a week, when you're not asleep, you're working.

How did you manage that, Steve Hansen, just that relentlessness? that there's always something.

Um, yeah.

And you, you're always learning, aren't you? Like, um, we learnt a lot when I, when I was with Steve and Wayne and Mike Cron, Steve Hansen and Wayne Smith and Mike Cron, um, in that group.

And, and you like the opportunity to pass that learning on.

Um, but just you're constantly learning what's the best way of doing these things, and this team doesn't do the same as what we did, and they've added other things, which is, that's what it is about, constantly learning and trying to get better.

We don't get the potential of what they could become.

And I had a wonderful conversation with Steve Hansen, who just talked about this concept around the standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

And I know that's an old school saying, but it's a good one, right? And for whatever your standards are, they are often the little things that we allow to happen every day.

If someone's consistently turning up unprepared or nobody says anything or someone's talking over someone in a meeting, nobody says anything.