Oct 2, 2026 · 1 hr 1 min · 13 segments
Jeremy Christiansen, professor of law at Regent University School of Law, returns to the show to talk about what the recent Trump v. Barbara decision means for citizenship and originalism…
Jeremy ChristiansenGuest
Timon ClineHost
Yeah, I think you mentioned in one of your pieces, you're relaying and then you link to the Federalist sort of coverage of the panel that you were on shortly after the decision came down.
And what struck me, Some of the reporting on that is how confident some people, like a John Eastman, and I'm sure for him, there is a lot of validation in this.
But at the same time, there was a surprising level of optimism considering this was just handed down from maybe you could say that wing, some of the originalist wing that have been discussed.
And I – at least myself when I saw this, I was – whatever the opposite of extremely pessimistic, that this is the way it went.
You know, that just didn't strike me because of the, you know, I think their argument was like, well, this isn't going to be like Roe.
It's not going to take us 50 years or more to do something about this because of the the split and the the generation of sort of the discussion um i don't know where did you come down just on that sort of uh that's like a vibe check i guess on how you feel about this but to me this is such a obviously a decision that's based on that's trying to determine life in your utero for purposes of law is a significant metaphysical question, even if the court in Roe didn't treat it that way or realize it.
You could have you have had civilizations that commit atrocities against the unborn and against infants and there's still some kind of coherence and cohesion to them because the citizenship question is more defined and solidified, whereas in this case it's hard to understand how you How you can brush this one off not that everyone was but the to be optimistic about this one's like well We've we've come to a very strange place on how we determine who's in and who's out in the polity
Yeah, I think you mentioned in one of your pieces, you're relaying and then you link to the Federalist sort of coverage of the panel that you were on shortly after the decision came down.
And what struck me, Some of the reporting on that is how confident some people, like a John Eastman, and I'm sure for him, there is a lot of validation in this.
But at the same time, there was a surprising level of optimism considering this was just handed down from maybe you could say that wing, some of the originalist wing that have been discussed.
And I – at least myself when I saw this, I was – whatever the opposite of extremely pessimistic, that this is the way it went.
You know, that just didn't strike me because of the, you know, I think their argument was like, well, this isn't going to be like Roe.
It's not going to take us 50 years or more to do something about this because of the the split and the the generation of sort of the discussion um i don't know where did you come down just on that sort of uh that's like a vibe check i guess on how you feel about this but to me this is such a obviously a decision that's based on that's trying to determine life in your utero for purposes of law is a significant metaphysical question, even if the court in Roe didn't treat it that way or realize it.
You could have you have had civilizations that commit atrocities against the unborn and against infants and there's still some kind of coherence and cohesion to them because the citizenship question is more defined and solidified, whereas in this case it's hard to understand how you How you can brush this one off not that everyone was but the to be optimistic about this one's like well We've we've come to a very strange place on how we determine who's in and who's out in the polity
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