Oct 2, 2026 · 58 min · 6 segments
Are we witnessing the “North Koreanization” of the Islamic Republic of Iran? From the growing presence of Basij paramilitary forces in elementary schools to the sentencing of musicians and the…
Bahiyyih NakhjavaniGuest
Negar MojtahediHost
Iman DashtiGuest
Kamran BokhariGuestAlberto FernandezGuest
David PatrikarakosGuest
[instrumental music] There has been a striking intensification of repression inside Iran.

Just this week, two Iranians detained following the January protests were executed.

An appeals court in Qom upheld the convictions of singer Patisu Ahmadi and seven other musicians and organizers, including flogging sentences stemming from her online concert.

A German-based humanitarian worker has been sentenced to 10 years in prison recently, and all of this unfolding as Iran faces severe economic pressure at home and a continuing standoff with the United States.

So rather than looking at each development in isolation, I want to ask, what do these trends collectively tell us about where the Islamic Republic is heading? Joining me now, Kamran Bokhari, a strategic forecaster and senior resident fellow at the Middle East Policy Council.

Alberto Fernandez, a former US diplomat and the Middle... and vice president of the Middle East Media Research Institute, also known as MEMRI.

And David Patrikarakos, a special correspondent for The Daily Mail and author.

You've spent years as a diplomat trying to understand what is happening inside countries, and I assume from the signals coming out of them.

If you were advising diplomats looking at Iran today, what are the indicators you would tell them that you need to watch out for?
Um, it, it successfully, uh, promulgated a victory narrative both internally and globally.
Uh, and for a while, that had legs, but the problem with a victory narrative, as we've seen in other situations, and David knows this with, uh, with the Islamic State, uh, with ISIS back in the day, is that a victory narrative always has to be fed and always had to be somehow connected to reality.
So as, as the economic situation bites, and it's finally biting, the Americans didn't do a very good job at the beginning with this.
So the regime has to find ways to show that it's boss, show that it's the captain.
They're on the same ship, but they want to show there's, they, they're in charge.
One of the ways they show it, um, that they're in charge is not only their rhetoric, but actions of extreme violence and repe- repression internally.

[instrumental music] There has been a striking intensification of repression inside Iran.

Just this week, two Iranians detained following the January protests were executed.

An appeals court in Qom upheld the convictions of singer Patisu Ahmadi and seven other musicians and organizers, including flogging sentences stemming from her online concert.

A German-based humanitarian worker has been sentenced to 10 years in prison recently, and all of this unfolding as Iran faces severe economic pressure at home and a continuing standoff with the United States.

So rather than looking at each development in isolation, I want to ask, what do these trends collectively tell us about where the Islamic Republic is heading? Joining me now, Kamran Bokhari, a strategic forecaster and senior resident fellow at the Middle East Policy Council.

Alberto Fernandez, a former US diplomat and the Middle... and vice president of the Middle East Media Research Institute, also known as MEMRI.

And David Patrikarakos, a special correspondent for The Daily Mail and author.

You've spent years as a diplomat trying to understand what is happening inside countries, and I assume from the signals coming out of them.

If you were advising diplomats looking at Iran today, what are the indicators you would tell them that you need to watch out for?
Um, it, it successfully, uh, promulgated a victory narrative both internally and globally.
Uh, and for a while, that had legs, but the problem with a victory narrative, as we've seen in other situations, and David knows this with, uh, with the Islamic State, uh, with ISIS back in the day, is that a victory narrative always has to be fed and always had to be somehow connected to reality.
So as, as the economic situation bites, and it's finally biting, the Americans didn't do a very good job at the beginning with this.
So the regime has to find ways to show that it's boss, show that it's the captain.
They're on the same ship, but they want to show there's, they, they're in charge.
One of the ways they show it, um, that they're in charge is not only their rhetoric, but actions of extreme violence and repe- repression internally.
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