Jul 8, 2026 · 59 min · 11 segments
**Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 113** **Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church** **Description**: In this episode of *Candid Conversations About Women and the Church*, Jaime…
Jamie LeviGuest
Noemi ChavezHost
Sue FergusonHost
Carrie WilliamsHost
... you, Jamie, for, um, allowing yourself permission to go through the process of feeling that dissonance.
I think so many times, um, as parents or as pastors or as spiritual leaders, the dissonance feels like a threat.
... and I think that even in the healthiest churches and the healthiest teachings and discipleship, people will go through that dissonance because-
God is working through something in their life i- in order to be close and to, uh, remove barriers of intimacy with the Lord, right?
So I mean, obviously it's only worse when the culture of the church creates the dissonance and in, and that embarkment feels like, man, I'm going through, I'm carrying too much.
Um, but there's something powerful about, um, I think the idea of dissonance or deconstruction and inviting-
... you, Jamie, for, um, allowing yourself permission to go through the process of feeling that dissonance.
I think so many times, um, as parents or as pastors or as spiritual leaders, the dissonance feels like a threat.
... and I think that even in the healthiest churches and the healthiest teachings and discipleship, people will go through that dissonance because-
God is working through something in their life i- in order to be close and to, uh, remove barriers of intimacy with the Lord, right?
So I mean, obviously it's only worse when the culture of the church creates the dissonance and in, and that embarkment feels like, man, I'm going through, I'm carrying too much.
Um, but there's something powerful about, um, I think the idea of dissonance or deconstruction and inviting-
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